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I know, kinda beating a dead horse here, but while I was at work I checked out the labels of the serious flea shampoos, powders, and sprays that you can use on the carpet (and shampoo on the dog/cat). These are the products that most petstores in California probably carry, but I can't say the same for other states.

Cats had only one shampoo, whose active ingredients were Pyriproxyfen-2, Pyrethrins, and N-Octyl bicycloheptane dicarboximide.

Dog products all had essentially the same chemicals:
Pyrethrins
N-Octyl bicycloheptene dicarboximide
Pyripoxyfen
D-li Monene
Piperonyl butoxide
Carbryl
Permethrin
*Tetrachlorvinphos
(S)-Methroprene
D-Trans Allethrin
Di-N-Propyl Islochomeronate
Linalool

All of the products only had a combination of at most 4 of those chemicals. I'm really fuzzy on my organic chemistry (knowing what all those godawful names mean) but most of those compounds look like they're just huge, complex chains of chlorine, oxygen, and carbon.
The only one that looks like it might have phosphorous (or phosphates) is the one I starred, which was in the Hartz brand products.

If anyone's feeling particularly bored at work and would like to add any information about those compounds I'm sure we'd all appreciate it. I'd check them out but I have a lot to do before classes start tomorrow.

~jenny
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1.2 normal ball pythons (Cindy, Darwin, and Periscope)
0.2 rescue chinese water dragons (Yoni and Linga)
1.0 rex rat (Scurvy)
1.0 gerbil (Yerbul)
0.1 neurotic mouse (Cute Girl Mousey)
1.0 escape artist mouse (Jesusmouse)
0.1 bunny (Spazz)
1.1 betta fishes (Vicious and Killer)
2.2 great danes (Shasta, Odysseus, Merlot, and Watson)
1.0 fat fuzzy mutt (Smokey)
1.1 cats (Thidwick and Turtle)
3.0 horses (Buddy, Sam, and Scout)
1.0 goat (Billy Jack)
1.25 chickens (Ugly the rooster and his harem)

The Saddest Mouse

What about the foggers and dusters

>>What about the foggers and dusters

Those include the dusts and the foggers.
So many of the chemicals were the same I just made one list instead of trying to seperate them into different products.

~jenny
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1.2 normal ball pythons (Cindy, Darwin, and Periscope)
0.2 rescue chinese water dragons (Yoni and Linga)
1.0 rex rat (Scurvy)
1.0 gerbil (Yerbul)
1.1 mice (Cute Girl Mousy and FuzzBucket)
0.1 bunny (Spazz)
1.1 betta fishes (Vicious and Killer)
2.2 great danes (Shasta, Odysseus, Merlot, and Watson)
1.0 fat fuzzy mutt (Smokey)
1.1 cats (Thidwick and Turtle)
3.0 horses (Buddy, Sam, and Scout)
1.0 goat (Billy Jack)
1.25 chickens (Ugly the rooster and his harem)

Jenny, I am not sure what your point is. Don't waste your time researching any of those ingredients but one. Do a search on pyrethrins. I don't think it will take long for you to find that this is an extremely toxic chemical that is not only hazardous to reptiles, amphibiansand fish, but also poses a possible threat to dogs and cats. If you find any resource to the contrary please post so that I may eat crow. I have provided a link that sums it up for me.

Jeff
Link

>>Jenny, I am not sure what your point is. Don't waste your time researching any of those ingredients but one. Do a search on pyrethrins. I don't think it will take long for you to find that this is an extremely toxic chemical that is not only hazardous to reptiles, amphibiansand fish, but also poses a possible threat to dogs and cats. If you find any resource to the contrary please post so that I may eat crow. I have provided a link that sums it up for me.
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>>Jeff

The point was those are the active chemicals in the average flea product, and that I didn't know which, if any, were hazardous along the lines of Organophosphates. Had a hell of a weekend and my brain is too fried to try and make sense of chemicals for today. I posted the chemicals so that if anyone was so inclined, they could find out about them.
I suppose my point was to share information.

Thank you much for the link!

~jenny
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1.2 normal ball pythons (Cindy, Darwin, and Periscope)
0.2 rescue chinese water dragons (Yoni and Linga)
1.0 rex rat (Scurvy)
1.0 gerbil (Yerbul)
1.1 mice (Cute Girl Mousy and FuzzBucket)
0.1 bunny (Spazz)
1.1 betta fishes (Vicious and Killer)
2.2 great danes (Shasta, Odysseus, Merlot, and Watson)
1.0 fat fuzzy mutt (Smokey)
1.1 cats (Thidwick and Turtle)
3.0 horses (Buddy, Sam, and Scout)
1.0 goat (Billy Jack)
1.25 chickens (Ugly the rooster and his harem)

Jenny, not trying to be rude, but after reading my post a second time I feel that it may have come across that way and for that I am sorry. I have first hand experience with this and
I don't want any one to go through what I did. Just ask Stryder. The word needs to be spread far and wide about the dangers of such products. Please keep beating this horse or the only thing that will be dead are our pets.

Jeff

Wow. Thank you for taking the time do all the research you have done.

Honestly, I hadn't given a whole lot of thought to this subject. I think that probably a lot of us haven't. And it needs to be known. The consequences of not thinking about such things can be devastating.

Not only did my snakes die, but they suffered a horrible, horrible death. I almost wish I had just found them all dead, and not had to see what they went through before they died. It's the stuff nightmares are made of, for somebody who cares about their critters.

And snakes are not the only ones so badly affected, either. I can't imagine using some of these products in my home around pets and children, thinking it was marketed as safe.

Again, thank you for all the time you have spent looking into this important subject, and for the time you have taken to reply to my posts. Very helpful, and very apreciated!