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Maybe there's a few others that feel the same way I do about this!.......the fact that so many people own snakes(and many other animals for that matter) from places like "Colombia" in South America and are ALWAYS referring to them as "COLUMBIAN" boas with a "U",instead of an "O"!!!!!. Not just once in a while, but time, and time,and time again!!.......Burmese Pythons,...same thing, they are from Burma, not Berma!!!, What this seems to tell me, is all the people that own these snakes do not own any books at all about the snakes they are keeping!!....Personally, I think everybody should have at least SOME basic literature on the animals that he/she owns, otherwise what business do you have owning/keeping something you don't know anything about that depends solely on that individual for it's upkeep ......This would certainly cut down on some of the stupid, idiotic questions that I see on some of these forums!(LOL). Anyway, this topic could go on forever and have 500 pages if I wanted to write more about it, so I'll just leave it at that. I wouldn't expect everyone to be a "herpetologist", just to read a LITTLE bit about the animals they own,..that's all......this is an absolute FACT that cannot be disputed at all........................................Doug

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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

It's a sad fact of our society today. People possess very little knowledge about the world in general, let alone grammar. Why, how many of these folks actually know where "Columbia" even is?
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
2.4.0 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.1.0 Everglades Rat Snakes
2.1.0 Baird's Rat Snakes
1.2.0 Trans-Pecos Rat Snakes
0.1.0 Trinket Rat Snake
0.1.0 Amel Pacific Gopher Snake
1.0.0 Het Amel San Diego Gopher Snake
3.1.0 Sonoran Gopher Snakes
0.1.0 Amel Sonoran Gopher Snakes
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
2.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (1.1 River Road, 1.0 Non-Locale Specific)
0.2.0 California Kingsnakes
0.1.0 Thayeri Kingsnake
0.1.0 Florida Kingsnake
1.1.0 Boa Constrictors
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
1.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
1.0.0 Woma Python
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Macklot's Pythons
1.1.0 Western Hognose
1.0.0 Blacktail Cribo

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.3.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
1.1.0 Chuckwalla
0.1.0 Banded Gecko

FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.1 Green Tree Frogs
1.0.0 Bubbling Kassina
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs
0.0.2 Gold Frogs

I have herped in and around Columbia. It is the capital of South Carolina, right there on I-20.
There is some good herping in the area, although I have never found any Columbian Boas or Columbian Rainbow Boas. You must have to know where to look or the correct season?
It's strange that the South Carolina wildlife officials don't recognize these taxa either.

What cracks me up even more is when West Coast Herpers report kingsnake hunting in the spring and find "strippers" under their boards. Why are strippers hiding under their boardlines? Is it cold? Too much sun? I've found a lot of weird stuff under boards, but I've never found a stripper!
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

Chris,......yes, "strippers", just another fine example of what I'm talking about,.........I've seen many of you're posts, so I know you're views must be similar to mine!(LOL). Again, like I said earlier,(aside from horrible spelling).....why don't people want to learn just a LITTLE bit about what they own??!!, I just can't understand the concept at all, and never will.........later,..................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

trouble with spelling, that is a known fact..Seeing the difference between Columbia and Colombia is not as easy for some people.Having problems with visual discrimination doesnt mean they are stupid or unlearned or dont educate themselves about the animals they own.I think this kind of intolerant behaviour is appalling at best.Asking stupid or "idiotic" questions are how people learn.Perhaps they are young or just dont happen to have the books available at the moment the questions arise.If they cant ask here for fear of judgement then where can they go?
Perhaps you should become a teacher so you can circle the mistakes of the masses with bright red pencil marks and instill the fear of failure in all the little hearts of the people so they can become oppressed and afraid to try, for the judgement of those like you can be very harsh...
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Obviously, you did not get the point I was trying to get across either!!. I never implied people that spell words incorrectly are idiots!!. The often mispelled words merely reminded me of how many people don't have a clue about the animal(s)they own. My point is how rediculous it is to never read about the animal(s) people have. And that so many problems could be avoided if they just got a cheap book about the animals that depend on them for their well being. So you go right on thinking I was such a "mean man" when I said that I thought everyone should read a little about the animals they own. I find it VERY APPALLING that you found it appalling!!! I'm sure there are many people that agree with every word I said, even though I was very blunt and to the point. ......best regards to you and the 49% of the general public!!!...............................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

...trouble spelling. Well let's just coddle them and feel sorry for them as our society turns into a bunch of blabbering morons. What a great idea!
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
2.4.0 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.1.0 Everglades Rat Snakes
2.1.0 Baird's Rat Snakes
1.2.0 Trans-Pecos Rat Snakes
0.1.0 Trinket Rat Snake
0.1.0 Amel Pacific Gopher Snake
1.0.0 Het Amel San Diego Gopher Snake
3.1.0 Sonoran Gopher Snakes
0.1.0 Amel Sonoran Gopher Snakes
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
2.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (1.1 River Road, 1.0 Non-Locale Specific)
0.2.0 California Kingsnakes
0.1.0 Thayeri Kingsnake
0.1.0 Florida Kingsnake
1.1.0 Boa Constrictors
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
1.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
1.0.0 Woma Python
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Macklot's Pythons
1.1.0 Western Hognose
1.0.0 Blacktail Cribo

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.3.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
1.1.0 Chuckwalla
0.1.0 Banded Gecko

FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.1 Green Tree Frogs
1.0.0 Bubbling Kassina
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs
0.0.2 Gold Frogs

Diego,........Boy,....did you hit that right on the head!!! I don't have a whole lot of faith in the general public for having much common sense AT ALL!!!anyway. I'm proven this time, and time again, no matter what the subject or situation is. It's good to know at least a few people have some common sense out there........Oh!!,many years ago, I checked out a few "tangerine" Hondurans from a guy named "Diego", did you live in the Miami area in early 90's??...................Doug

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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

No Doug, that wasn't me. I was already in PHX by then.

Just remember: Common sense really isn't all that common!
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
2.4.0 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.1.0 Everglades Rat Snakes
2.1.0 Baird's Rat Snakes
1.2.0 Trans-Pecos Rat Snakes
0.1.0 Trinket Rat Snake
0.1.0 Amel Pacific Gopher Snake
1.0.0 Het Amel San Diego Gopher Snake
3.1.0 Sonoran Gopher Snakes
0.1.0 Amel Sonoran Gopher Snakes
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
2.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (1.1 River Road, 1.0 Non-Locale Specific)
0.2.0 California Kingsnakes
0.1.0 Thayeri Kingsnake
0.1.0 Florida Kingsnake
1.1.0 Boa Constrictors
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
1.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
1.0.0 Woma Python
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Macklot's Pythons
1.1.0 Western Hognose
1.0.0 Blacktail Cribo

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.3.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
1.1.0 Chuckwalla
0.1.0 Banded Gecko

FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.1 Green Tree Frogs
1.0.0 Bubbling Kassina
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs
0.0.2 Gold Frogs

Sorry. but I have to call you on this one.

1) While I try to spell everything correctly in my posts, just because it makes a better impression, I absolutely fail to see how one's spelling ability has anything to do with their knowledge of herps. The facts that "Colombia" is a spanish word, that there are several places in the U.S. and Canada named "Columbia" and that the person who used it most recently was stating that he DID NOT own a colombian boa makes it seem all the less relevant in that case.

2) Just for laughs, I went through your post and counted (conservatively) 7 definite grammatical errors, some very "creative" use of puntuation and you actually used "LOL" in a post complaing about someone else's English! I guess that would make you a total idiot unless spelling is the ONLY measure of one's intelligence, right? I certainly don't think you're an idiot (maybe a tad high-strung (highly-strung if you want to picky)).

3) Stating your opinion and then trying to deflect anyone who disagrees by stating that it is "an absolute FACT that cannot be disputed at all" only works if you're a politician.

Note: I have not certified the above post to be free of spelling or grammatical errors. In fact I cannot guarantee that I have used the word "grammatical" correctly.
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What goes up must come down...unless it exceeds escape velocity.

NO, I didn't mean everyone that spelled something incorrectly was an idiot, or even close to it!!. My point I was trying to get across if you really checked out the post, was, I think everyone should read a little about their animals, and not ask ten thousand silly questions one at a time. And NO, I'm not saying people that ask questions are idiots either!!! far from it. I AM saying there are plenty of little $10.00 books out there that would give many people lots of useful info. Also, this was not targeted at any one specific person either, it was a general comment. I can't figure out why it was so offensive to you. But I will say, I did notice that you gave ME a huge ration of crap, when I didn't give you any at all. SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANY PEOPLE BY SAYING READING ABOUT THEIR ANIMALS IS A GOOD IDEA........................Best regards, Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

I wasn't offended, nor should you be if you don't put too much effort into reading my post as an attack. I was just trying to get the point across that picking a simple mistake like a misspelling and posting a whole, unsolicited rant about how it indicates that someone hasn't bothered to do any research is just silly...just like me giving you crap about your grammar.

The separate and more general point that people should do research on the animals they keep is perfectly valid, but anyone who actually needs that point reenforced is not going to get it from a post like yours. They're just going to see you griping about spelling and their "stupid, idiotic questions", as you put it.

>>Also, this was not targeted at any one specific person either, it was a general comment.

Like I said, I wasn't offended, but I hope you'll understand why I think the person who started the thread two posts below yours has a right to be...

Maybe I should use more smileys in my posts...

P.S. I've now caught at least 1 spelling error and 2 grammatical errors in my last post, and there are probably more in this one.
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What goes up must come down...unless it exceeds escape velocity.

colombian,columbian whatever...its still a boa constrictor and as long as you can take care of said animal who cares how you spell its name?...its like those people always jumping someones case when they call"colombian" boas "colombian redtails"...
...by the way its RIdiculous...
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0.1 c.b.97' 9'6" 62 lb. Colombian Boa "Scarlet"
1.0 c.b.02' 6' Pastel Colombian Boa(thanks Bill!)"Maverick"
0.1 c.b.06' 17" Firebelly x Pastel boa "Betty Boa"
1.0 wc 3' Savannah Monitor "Ozzy"
0.0.1 wc 1'Savannah Monitor "Uggy"
1.0 c.b. 04' 4' Everglades Yellow Ratsnake "Pooh"
1.0 c.b.? 5' Candycane Albino Corn "Oogie Boogie"
1.0 c.b. 05'2' Snow Corn "Zero"
1.0 Oscar 10" "Jaws"
"...does it bite?"

Here's a good one!We have gartner snakes here where I live.I know we do because my neighbor told me so. l.o.l. Jeff

...a few "Colombians" of my own...

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0.1 c.b.97' 9'6" 62 lb. Colombian Boa "Scarlet"
1.0 c.b.02' 6' Pastel Colombian Boa(thanks Bill!)"Maverick"
0.1 c.b.06' 17" Firebelly x Pastel boa "Betty Boa"
1.0 wc 3' Savannah Monitor "Ozzy"
0.0.1 wc 1'Savannah Monitor "Uggy"
1.0 c.b. 04' 4' Everglades Yellow Ratsnake "Pooh"
1.0 c.b.? 5' Candycane Albino Corn "Oogie Boogie"
1.0 c.b. 05'2' Snow Corn "Zero"
1.0 Oscar 10" "Jaws"
"...does it bite?"

Good rant or post or whatever... I concur.

reako45

Glad you could see what the issue was really about. Some people choose to "focus" on certain things, and ride it till the "wheels fall off"!!. Kind of like looking at a painting only one inch away from the canvas, and only seeing a couple of dots......but if you took two steps back, you could see the entire picture!........thanks for the post..............Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

>>Maybe there's a few others that feel the same way I do about this!.......the fact that so many people own snakes(and many other animals for that matter) from places like "Colombia" in South America and are ALWAYS referring to them as "COLUMBIAN" boas with a "U",instead of an "O"!!!!!. Not just once in a while, but time, and time,and time again!!.......Burmese Pythons,...same thing, they are from Burma, not Berma!!!, What this seems to tell me, is all the people that own these snakes do not own any books at all about the snakes they are keeping!!....Personally, I think everybody should have at least SOME basic literature on the animals that he/she owns, otherwise what business do you have owning/keeping something you don't know anything about that depends solely on that individual for it's upkeep ......This would certainly cut down on some of the stupid, idiotic questions that I see on some of these forums!(LOL). Anyway, this topic could go on forever and have 500 pages if I wanted to write more about it, so I'll just leave it at that. I wouldn't expect everyone to be a "herpetologist", just to read a LITTLE bit about the animals they own,..that's all......this is an absolute FACT that cannot be disputed at all........................................Doug

The scariest thing is that the folks coming to these forums have made that much effort and are probably the top 20% of the pet owning population. I work in a pet store......it is hard to get someone to buy the book on the animal they are getting. We include it in the 'Combo' for various animals. Half to three quarters of the time the people ask if they can take it out and save some money. It is pathetic but it is the vast reality. It is right up there with a thermometer for needed info and nearly impossible to get someone to buy.
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Sonya

I'm not mean. You're just a sissy.
Happy Bunny

My personal favorite is when people claim they "love herpes," or "have a lot of herpes."

Yes,....now that is a good one, I'll have to remember that one to tell some friends about!!(LOL)..............Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

You have removed all doubt..
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Yes, I have removed all doubt....that you would be much better off in you're kindergarten class with little children, rather than being here in a mostly adult forum where the majority of the people conduct themselves in an acceptable manner.....there you can say silly, rediculous things and nobody would know the difference!......I'm so glad you noticed my signature statement at the bottom of my posts,I see you were able to at least understand what that meant.....best regards Cee4.......Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!