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i havent been on in a month and was wondering whats the current situation with zees golds?
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jake

my addiction:
0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
0.1 amelenistic corn snake (maizy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)
1.0 albino cal king (zeus)
0.0.1 wc garter (zim)
hybrid breeders association
hybrid haven

I have two pics for comparison: (first pic is mom - second pic are the two babies. Note that the head pattern on mom's spear point in the center of her head has an opening. The two babies have the same exact head pattern and the opening is facing the same direction as the mother's,lol)

Well, this is the most recent pic of the only two babies that hatched with no red. Looks as if they are slowly changing into the golden colors... My 13 year old son took this pic a few days ago. I am still overseas for a little while longer. But I will be back soon to take some more, high quality pics. I still have not seen these babies for myself yet except in these pics!

Can't wait to get HOME!!!

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

My internet keeps shutting off on me, so I forgot to re-post the pics....
Well, here's mom (first) and the two babies:

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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

Is that for real?

For us newbies, exactly what makes a Golden?

it an un-proven trait. zee cought "the original golden" and bred her to a male caught in the same area and has been trying to prove her out since
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jake

my addiction:
0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
0.1 amelenistic corn snake (maizy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)
1.0 albino cal king (zeus)
0.0.1 wc garter (zim)
hybrid breeders association
hybrid haven

But how would you describe it genetically? That gold color is a result of what traits?

NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE. its obviously the loss of red, but the known trait is caramel, amber, etc. as for the golden, she was wild caught as is and so far, well, until recently the only one known to man. until the 2 babies popped out of her clutch. its very interesting and breeding trials ARE in the makes. the 2 babies seen here were just born a few months ago and look like momma. its a possibility her son, who was bred back to her but no breeding was ever SEEN could have fathered these babies. BUT another male was introduced to her as well from around the same area goldie was found... so as of right now its unknown and we are calling them goldens. this is just a lil of what i have picked up from the stories here and there. but Zee could probably tell the story better and correctly. but i think thats what we have so far I LOVE THEM!!! THEY ARE GOING UP NICELY
~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude) [just a pet...she started it all]
1. Orange normal (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
2. Miami Phase part zigzag (Starkey, Mcvitty)[Emilys F2]
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury) .1 Blizzard (Detta)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy) [Emilys F1 babies]
.1 Sunglow Amel (Pepperoni)*1. Sunglow coming soon!
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss HET Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Hypo HET Stripe (Gracie Lou) 1. Hypo Stripe (Gideon)
1.1 Anery HET Motley (Lleroy, Persia)
.2 Candy Cane (Peaches HoneyBlossom[Just a pet], NO NAME)
1.1 Abbotts Okeetee (Albert[Charlottes son], NO NAME)
1.1 Snow (Crickle, Isis) .1 Green Snow (Maya)
1. Caramel poss HET Butter (Topher)
.1 Anery stripe (V) [husbands snake...he named it]
.1 Orange Reverse Okeetee (Lonna)
1.2 Bloodred HET Amel 1. Amel HET Bloodred

Others:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)
1. High-white Reverse Spotted Cal King (Wishbone) *.1 soon!
.1 Albino Stripe Cal King (Eve)
.1 Bananna spotted/stripe cal king (Speckle) Thanks Jeff!!!
1.1 Thayeri (Giuseppe[MSP], Cheyenne)
1.1 Creamsicle HET Motley(Orangejello, Genevieve)
1. Creamsicle motley (no name) Thanks Jimmy!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LIZARDS~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko(Blitz)
.1? High yellow Leopard Gecko(no name)
1. Bearded Dragon (no name)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLES~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)
.1 snapping turtle (Snappy Jaws)

That was pretty correct what you said... The only reason I introduced the other locality male, was because I had a feeling that her son had NO interest in her as he was always making attempts at getting out of the cage to get away from her until many days later when he settled down enough to actually sleep next to her (but that seems like that is all he did). I didn't want to risk waiting another year so: Towards the end of the breeding season I put that 5 foot wildcaught male (that I found only about a hundred yards from where I found her) in there and he went to work on her IMMEDIATELY! Like I said, she laid a lot of eggs (16), but only four of them were fertile. Out of those four I got two with NO red and the other two with lots of red...I'm thankful just to have two that are looking very promising.

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

Are either of those hatchlings male? If so, that would be as helpful any other crossing, since any non-golden corn produced by such a pairing would eliminate the possibility of simple recessivity.

Outstanding animals!

(Save one for me!)
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Thanks
It's funny that you'd mention that, for I do not know what sex they are yet. Nobody in my household knows how to probe snakes except for me, and I have been overseas before those little ones were even laid... But I will know very soon, since my time over here is almost up, (I can' wait, lol)!

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

I know you've been overseas (and THANK YOU again, by the way!) all this time. I didn't realize that no one had sexed the babies for you yet.

What a surprize you have waiting for you, Huh?!?

Let us know, when you can, Zee!
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

...OR 10! Those are beautiful corns. I wish they could be found in New England..
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1.0 Green Iguana
1.0 Bearded Dragon
0.1 Midnight Blizard Leopard Gecko
2.4 Corn Snakes (2 Blood Red,1 Granite,1 Butter, 1 Creamsicle,1 Anery)
2.1 Ball Python (2 Normal, 1 Lemon Pastel)

so if we assume that the wc male is the father then ethier he has the golden gene (recessive) or the golden gene is co-dominant (how cool would that be!!). Are there any other codom genes out there other than ultra with amel for corn snakes?

Good point.
I am wondering about that myslef. Of course the only thing that DOES make this a mystery is the fact that the WC male was found almost exactly at the same spot as the golden one. But I should ( hopefully) have an answer to that by this fall...

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

i'm sorry for telling your story for you, but i'm from around the same area where you live and i kinda ate every detail. it was very exciting for me to know my home town was actually special for something i cared about hope you are being safe and any idea when you're coming home??
~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude) [just a pet...she started it all]
1. Orange normal (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
2. Miami Phase part zigzag (Starkey, Mcvitty)[Emilys F2]
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury) .1 Blizzard (Detta)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy) [Emilys F1 babies]
.1 Sunglow Amel (Pepperoni)*1. Sunglow coming soon!
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss HET Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Hypo HET Stripe (Gracie Lou) 1. Hypo Stripe (Gideon)
1.1 Anery HET Motley (Lleroy, Persia)
.2 Candy Cane (Peaches HoneyBlossom[Just a pet], NO NAME)
1.1 Abbotts Okeetee (Albert[Charlottes son], NO NAME)
1.1 Snow (Crickle, Isis) .1 Green Snow (Maya)
1. Caramel poss HET Butter (Topher)
.1 Anery stripe (V) [husbands snake...he named it]
.1 Orange Reverse Okeetee (Lonna)
1.2 Bloodred HET Amel 1. Amel HET Bloodred

Others:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)
1. High-white Reverse Spotted Cal King (Wishbone) *.1 soon!
.1 Albino Stripe Cal King (Eve)
.1 Bananna spotted/stripe cal king (Speckle) Thanks Jeff!!!
1.1 Thayeri (Giuseppe[MSP], Cheyenne)
1.1 Creamsicle HET Motley(Orangejello, Genevieve)
1. Creamsicle motley (no name) Thanks Jimmy!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LIZARDS~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko(Blitz)
.1? High yellow Leopard Gecko(no name)
1. Bearded Dragon (no name)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLES~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)
.1 snapping turtle (Snappy Jaws)

Wow! Are you from Fayetteville, or nearby? I will be home in March sometime. Not sure exactly what day yet, but I should have an answer by the end of this month.

Zee

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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

I was born and lived at wrightsville beach, nc but i still call all that area "home"
~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude) [just a pet...she started it all]
1. Orange normal (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
2. Miami Phase part zigzag (Starkey, Mcvitty)[Emilys F2]
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury) .1 Blizzard (Detta)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy) [Emilys F1 babies]
.1 Sunglow Amel (Pepperoni)*1. Sunglow coming soon!
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss HET Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Hypo HET Stripe (Gracie Lou) 1. Hypo Stripe (Gideon)
1.1 Anery HET Motley (Lleroy, Persia)
.2 Candy Cane (Peaches HoneyBlossom[Just a pet], NO NAME)
1.1 Abbotts Okeetee (Albert[Charlottes son], NO NAME)
1.1 Snow (Crickle, Isis) .1 Green Snow (Maya)
1. Caramel poss HET Butter (Topher)
.1 Anery stripe (V) [husbands snake...he named it]
.1 Orange Reverse Okeetee (Lonna)
1.2 Bloodred HET Amel 1. Amel HET Bloodred

Others:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)
1. High-white Reverse Spotted Cal King (Wishbone) *.1 soon!
.1 Albino Stripe Cal King (Eve)
.1 Bananna spotted/stripe cal king (Speckle) Thanks Jeff!!!
1.1 Thayeri (Giuseppe[MSP], Cheyenne)
1.1 Creamsicle HET Motley(Orangejello, Genevieve)
1. Creamsicle motley (no name) Thanks Jimmy!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LIZARDS~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko(Blitz)
.1? High yellow Leopard Gecko(no name)
1. Bearded Dragon (no name)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLES~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)
.1 snapping turtle (Snappy Jaws)

thats the point!!! lol. there is only one golden corn so far. Zee is trying to find out what the genetics are and see if it even is genetic
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****Misty****

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thats really cool, you may be in for the ride of your life.
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jake

my addiction:
0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
0.1 amelenistic corn snake (maizy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)
1.0 albino cal king (zeus)
0.0.1 wc garter (zim)
hybrid breeders association
hybrid haven

Oh yes! That is the next new moroh! Definately! You should contact Kathy LOve or somebody just to see what they thinl about it! That is AMAZING!
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It's not over, I'll try to do it right next time around.
-Chris Daughtry

2 corn snakes- Yink and Waldo
2 FBT's

Hey Zee!,Those little ones are starting to look like momma!!Congratulations!! Jeff

I had the honor to see that beauty in person,actually,I got to hold her and snap some pics!These pics do her no justice,she's one of those things you have to see in person! Thanks Zee! Jeff

Thanks, Jeff...
Can't wait to get back! I havn't seen those babies with my OWN eyes yet!!! By the way: I love your Okeetees! You have some really nice ones especially some of those babies. Yes, I have seen the pics!

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

I only wish I could stumble onto some outrageous mutations like that, instead of the typical junk!!!. Looks to be "hyperxanthic", as well as "anerythristic", in a weird progressive way !!.....VERY NICE!! I know you don't want to disclose the "EXACT" location obviously, but was it in the South Florida area? The reason I ask, is the "Miami" type looking background(not meaning they all come only from Miami).Anyway, that is one corny Cornsnake!!(LOL)......................Doug PS I posted this W/C "Miami" on a previous post. It was caught just above Miami in Broward County.

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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

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You tell 'em guy!!! l.o.l. Jeff

I really didn't mean that literally, I sometimes get bored of seeing nothing but Black Racers(Coluber c. priapus) around my area. Unfotunately, there is proof of many beautiful types of snakes in my area,the bad part is that I see most of these snakes dead on the road(DOR), which is pretty sad....... Oh!!!!, thanks for reminding me guys, I did have the good fortune of catching that sweet Cornsnake I took the "shedding closeup" of across the street though!!!. She is a very pretty, bright colored individual that I plan to introduce into some of my other breeding stock. In any case, yes, any snake is a good snake I agree!!(LOL)............................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Let's see a full body shot of that cool-looking miami you have! I, for one like those Miami's. They are one of my favorites (those & Okeetees). That was a good close-up you posted above. Can't wait to try my new camera when I get back from my overseas "tour". Thanks.

Zee

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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

Okay,......I'll post a full body shot of the one that was in the shedding(closeup) as soon as I can.......Bye the way,...that is an absolute "blazing Okeetee" you posted in your reply!!!......................................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Thanks... That Okeetee's a female.
Here's her mate. They produced some awesome babies last year.

Zee

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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

Thanks...
Been waiting for many years and many miles of herping to find something special (kind of like the "big one that didn't get away". AND NO, it's NOT a Florida animal, sorry. I DID find it about six miles from my house here in SE NC!!!
And corn snakes are VERY COMMON here, so that helps, too!
(Pic of a very red example found only about a mile from where the golden one was found)

Zee

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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

Well, looks like you have golden babies!
Tell your family thanks for taking the time to take the pics.
The head pattern thing is very cool. Do any of the other babies (that are not golden) have that pattern?
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

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"I will conquer my procrastination problem...Just you wait!"

Yes, It's looking good so far... I can't remember if the other babies have that head pattern... I will have to check. Hopefully my son will take some more pics soon, lol!
I CAN'T WAIT TO GET BACK, so I can take some pics again!!!
Got a brand new camera, and havn't been able to try it yet. Not til I get back home, lol!

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-