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Posted these on the mexicana forum awhile back but thought you guys here might want to see the new room. In total I can house 28 breeders

Here is a shot of the back side. I'm in the process of building a neonate rack to sit on the base that is to the left of the breeder rack.

This is a head shot of one of my coastals. I've been selectively breeding these guys for years. Compared to some other forms, coastals really aren't hard to work. They just require a little more TLC in the first months than most. I can usually get them on f/t pinks within two months.

Tony,
Nice diggs man.Great looking temp also.
But only 28 adults? thats all?how do you do it.Man I wish I could get down to 250 adults but its hard to get rid of anything.
Shannon

this is one half of my room.its 54 adult cages and 160 baby cages and the other three walls in the room are 140 adults cages and 80 medium cages.

Shannon

The question should be how do you do it! It was hard to get down to 28 snakes and the battle is ongoing but I had to do something. Like most I only have 24 hours in a day and there just weren't enough to go around! Of course the wife, kids and real job took priority so the loosers were the snakes if I kept too many. The collection stand now at :

2.2 western hog
3.3 thayeri
3.3 coastal plain milks
2.2 bairds
2.2 hi red goini
2.1 hypo scarlet kings

Some of these are neonates so I also have 1.2 albino emory rats and 1.1 Northampton County VA eastern kings which will be moved out once I need the cage space.

Man those temps are killer. Would you agree with me that they are t albinos and not hypo?

Shannon

Thanks Shannon, I don’t think there is anything special at work here. Some hypos are just lighter than others and after a few generations of selective breeding it starts to lock in pretty well.

I don’t think they are T albinos for one simple reason, T does not necessarily equate to a hypi-ish albino. T positive or negative refers to whether or not the animal’s cell’s can produce tyrosinase. This first came to light after the outcrossing of two albino black rats which produced normal looking neonates. Biopsies demonstrated that one animal was albino because it failed to produce the melanin precursor tyrosinase (T-). The other albino’s failure to produce melanin was somewhere else along the metabolic pathway because it did produced tyrosinase (T ). That these two strains produced normal looking neonate showed that the two mutations were not allelic. The thing that people miss from this historic example is that the two albino strains were distinguishable only by genotype. Phenotype didn’t come into play. If I understand all this correctly, the only way you can know an animal is a T albino is to do a skin biopsy.

Tony,
Yes I agree about the skin test etc....I was just going by site alone.
Very interesting and for several years I bred a pair of applegate gophers (both produced from Bob) and on there third or fourth year I produced one normal in the clutch???I thought WHAT???????? then the next year got all amels again and figured it was just a total fluke.The following year I produced two more normals and the next year another normal.
All in all I produced in 9 years 107 babies with 8 being normal.
Two years ago I gave Bob a pair of the normals and he is growing them up o breed them together.
Anyway,I lost the female last year due to egg binding but the male is still kicking it here and breeding other females.

Weird huh?

Shannon

man tony those are killer!!!!!! i was not even aware they existed!! how much do they run? if you have even sold any yet
i know i would not be able to they are just too awesome
adam
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hybrid breeders association
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.1 sinacorns
2.0 striped ghost corns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
0.1 bone white crosses
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 blizzard leo gecko
0.2 normal leo geckos
1.0 3 lined mud turtle

They've been around for quite a while. You just don't see too many because they aren't overly productive. Last year they sold pretty aggresively for 400 ea. That is what I ask after I have raised them to the point they take f/t pinks on their own.

TOTALLY SWEET, thats nice.

J. Hill

Tony,.......those are some "kick-ass" looking "temporalis"!!!judging from the pics,... I also agree with Shannon that they are (t albino).......best regards......................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

nice tony.the hard part for me is keeping it clean-ironically,not the cages,but the floor(bedding/shavings) and,well pretty much any other flat surface(clutter issues,lol).....the faucet/slop sink combo is crucial imo and i am toying with the idea of running some pipe and installing one in my main snake room.
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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

The hardest thing for me was finding a dog that matched the rug! LOL