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Original wild caught speckled bullsnake

gballam Aug 10, 2003 06:36 AM

This is a photo of the original, speckled bullsnake caught near Omaha Nebraska. The photo was taken in 1992. It appeared speckled to me at the time with a dark spot in the center of every straw colored scale and thus the name. When caught in 1991, the snake was at least 2 years old. As discussed in a thread below, the legitamat question arises if it has a southern pine background. It does not. To descend from a patternless southern pine it would have had to have come from F1 parents bred at least 2 years before I got it. The F1 (southern x bullsnake) parents would have had to originate at least 4 years earlier. This puts it in the mid 80's. This is the time that the first patternless southern pines were just beginning to be successfully bred (I think). Additionally, as can be seen in the following posts of F1's produced from the original wild caught speckled, they appear to be entirely bullsnake with no hint of southern blood. I am also posting a picture of some of the outcome of combining the speckled gene with other variations.

Gary

Replies (10)

gballam Aug 10, 2003 06:38 AM

Here is an original adult F1 snake from crossing the original speckled with an amelanistic bullsnake.

Gary

gballam Aug 10, 2003 06:43 AM

This represents part of a clutch which hatched on 8/6 and 87/2003. They show full patterned anerythristic/hypoxanthic, amelanistic and speckled genetic traits. It is the result of selective crossing af an F2 generation male bullsnake with an F1 generation female.

Gary

RichH Aug 10, 2003 08:08 AM

Gary, now thats alot of Bull, or should I say Bulls. Great pics and thanks for sharing the information.

Rich Hebron

RedInTheTail Aug 10, 2003 12:45 PM

I really like that picture of the enitre clutch. That is too cool.

Hey Gary, did you get the email I sent you? I need an availability list please . I need more bulls from you!

Thanks,
Kemper

dan felice Aug 10, 2003 02:18 PM

and if so, how much? LOL! thanks for the outstanding info and pics!

gballam Aug 11, 2003 10:45 AM

Dan

The anerythristic "speckled" does appear patternless and many of the speckled forms show traces of striping around the neck or tail. This animal will develop into what will appear as a solid pewter colored snake.

Gary

dan felice Aug 11, 2003 05:03 PM

i had already posted. thanks for going easy on me gary. lol! sorry about that. they are all beautiful indeed!........

gofer Aug 11, 2003 11:57 PM

looking snakes you have got. Very nice looking babies that just hatched out. Best of luck with all of them, and congrats again on a great looking clutch!
Have a good one,
Gregg F.

>>This represents part of a clutch which hatched on 8/6 and 87/2003. They show full patterned anerythristic/hypoxanthic, amelanistic and speckled genetic traits. It is the result of selective crossing af an F2 generation male bullsnake with an F1 generation female.
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>>Gary
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KJUN Aug 10, 2003 09:18 AM

Gary,

That is a great post to alleviate most, if not all, of our concerns. Looking at the ("higher that mugitus" blotch count of that F1 compared to the 5 phenotypic normals I've got from you, I'm convinced...especially if all of my babies are consistent as all of these (and that one) is.

All I can say is "Thank you" and to ask if those images can be borrowed and posted (to your credit) on the bullsnake image gallery, too!

Great info, bloodline verification, supporting evidence, and everything. I don't know what else to say that could be better than what you did say.
KJ

Del Aug 10, 2003 10:05 AM

I can see why they call you the Bull guy

Del

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