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I just picked these two up in a trade, they are unrelated and wer sold as greeri. The first one looks very much like a greeri, but I am skeptical about the second.

Anybody seen pure greeri, that looked like this one?

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South Texas Herps

They are very nice looking snakes, but in my personal opinion I think them both to be intergrades. The first one I see thayeri influence. the second one looks to have some alterna influence along with some thayeri.
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Michelle

When I saw the black head I thought the same about alterna.
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South Texas Herps

I agree with Michelle. First one is a greeri x thayeri hybrid. Second one clearly has thayeri in it, but what else is anybody's guess (and maybe nothing), though alterna is a reasonable pick.

Cheers,

Bob

I agree 1st one looks like greeri X thayeri - very rare for greeri to have any red on the head, especially not red "blushing".
Second one looks thayeri X alterna. The constricted "hourglass" shaped banding is a thayeri trait and the full black head cap is more an alterna trait. Although it's sometimes seen in thayeri it is usually the milksnake phase which have the black head caps.
Very pretty snakes and I would call them "Mix-mex" which pretty much covers all crosses involving mexicana and/or alterna.