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well i'm purchasing two GTPs from signalherp.com i already have one that i will be getting for sure the other i have not decided its either going to be a manokwari or jayapura, my question to you is what in you opinons have a better chance of having the brighter and more blue on them?

I'd have a hard time choosing. The Manakwari have a lot of blue that I've seen, but I've also seen some without a lot. Sort of a blending of the green with a blue green. Same with the Jaya types. My boy has a lot of blue on him but it blends with the green as it's two different shades. One color, sort of grey blue in the triangles, while the triangle outline is a brighter blue. It's better viewed in the sun to see the colors completely. I have seen some pretty spectacular Manakwari types though..
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That's a tough one. I'd probably go with the manokwari, but it's so variable that you never know. Actually I'd probably go with one of the US-CBB aru types right above, but then I'm a big aru fan.

Anyway whatever you get from Rico will be great.

This is silly, no one can tell you a definite answer. I've seen some GREEN animals from both phenotypes.

Your best bet - Have a look at the parents this is absolutly your best way to find out how your animal might look like. Also look at the linage. If you're getting something from Rico, just ask him.
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Julian Garcia
Chondros Exquisite
Seattle,WA

And then the babies will look completely different.......
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1.2.2~Green tree python
1.0~ATB
Dogs, cats, horses....
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So your logic behind this stands.

If i have one neonate from an unknown ungaurenteed phenotype.

and another neonate from 2 animals that were put together to express a certain trait like, bold blue dorsal markings.

My cances of knowing what the outcome will be are just as good as the unknown phenotype?

So our generations of pairing, documenting and trial and error are all bubcus?

Please explain.
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Julian Garcia
Chondros Exquisite
Seattle,WA

Not completely, but you do know what I mean. Look at Bob Wisehart's beautiful Aru parents and then look at the offspring. My yearling that I'm getting is beautiful yes, but it doesn't come close to the parents-at least not yet. Perhaps the offspring??? You could pair up two high blue animals and there's absolutely no guarantee that any of those babies will express the color. The closest thing I've seen to having the babies pretty much come out looking wild at least is some of the designers. The high yellow lines seem to do pretty well also. Still, I've seen plenty of animals offered who have absolutely no resemblance to their incredible parents and in fact, look plainer than a lot of no-name animals out there. Still, there's a chance that their babies will express whatever trait you want. Chondro genetics are more than complex...there's no knowing what you're going to get. That's half the fun!
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4.5~Cornsnakes
1.2.2~Green tree python
1.0~ATB
Dogs, cats, horses....
www.franclycac.com

That was a much more informed post than.

"And then the babies will look completely different......."

You can see how this answer would complement such a response if thrown at you.

You are right, there is no absolutes in color traits when it comes to chondros. No matter how long said animals family tree spans. However, there is no denying that you will have better odds if you had a proven pair or a pedigree behind an animal then on that comes from unknown orgin. This is why there is a large price difference between the two.

As for Aru's Meg, yes any keeper who has kept arus in the past could have told you that or at least pointed you to pages and pages of archived conversations accompanied with photos to prove or disprove their fact. White scales seems to be one of those things we just can't get or havent spent alot of time and effort in to.. Personaly i think its the latter.

I can go on to many tangents here proving and disproving the benifit of knowing where your animal comes from. However im goin to stay on track. If someone ask what is there "odds" of obtaining a cretain color trait they desire out of an unchanged neonate. There is no denying that "statisticly" your have a greater chance of obtaining what you want if you know what the parents look like.

* Photo of the late "Big", High yellow line high white animal. Produced by Kim Heller *

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Julian Garcia
Chondros Exquisite
Seattle,WA

well i've decieded on the manokwari and this beautiful male from his os high yellow x with one of his png line animals. and thanks for the feedback much apreciated

Excellent choices! Those are both beautiful!
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4.5~Cornsnakes
1.2.2~Green tree python
1.0~ATB
Dogs, cats, horses....
www.franclycac.com