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I have no idea what morph she is, labeled as a regular albino I know this is not the case. Any Ideas?

The closest thing I found was Tangelo.

I know its probably been asked, but I want a straight answer because everyone says something different.

Do they need UVA/UVB? I am giving calcium w/D3 so is this necissary (UV) especially if I have all of the bases covered?

Here she is

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1 Red Footed Tort (Bowser)
3 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo)
1 Bearded Dragon (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Argentine Horned Frog (Mcfatfat)
1 Togo Starburst Tarantula
1 Blue Cobalt Tarantula
1 Rosehair Tarantula
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
8 Button Quail (I promise they all have names)
1 Spaztic black kitty (Nikkita)
1 Baby Hairless rat (Artemis)
3 Hedgehoggies (Mr. P, Peaches, Cream)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

I'm really bad with the albino 'trade names' but she looks like a hybino to me

Really pretty gecko, not an expert on the various morphs, but my experience on the UV thing is this: It doesn't seem to be strictly necessary for them to have UV. However, in my experience, they tend to be more active/perkier when they have it. Therefore, based on my anecdotal evidence, I think it provides them some benefit, even if it isn't necessary for their basic survival. Because of this observation, I provide a full-spectrum bulb for mine.
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0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

Check out Ron Trempers web site! It maybe able to help a bit more. Also the dish of calcuim that is in the tank should be PURE calcuim only with no D3! Good luck awesome looking little one!

Yea I checked out his site earlier to try and find something similar. I see the reverse stripes, Hypos, and tangerine and spotteds but I don't see a combination of it.

So without knowing the mom and dad, I would assume APTOR. But not completly patternless. She does look alot like the first pic he has under APtors but with a reverse stripe and no red eyes....LOL maybe I'll just send a pic to him, see what he thinks

I paid 80. I can't beleive that someone would sell her that cheap or send her to a petstore for that little money. Could it have been a mistake on the breeders part? She was this big when she came in so there was no mistaking she was different.

This is also before she shed (both pics are).....So She might get even prettier.

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1 Red Footed Tort (Bowser)
3 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo)
1 Bearded Dragon (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Argentine Horned Frog (Mcfatfat)
1 Togo Starburst Tarantula
1 Blue Cobalt Tarantula
1 Rosehair Tarantula
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
8 Button Quail (I promise they all have names)
1 Spaztic black kitty (Nikkita)
1 Baby Hairless rat (Artemis)
3 Hedgehoggies (Mr. P, Peaches, Cream)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

Nice looking Leo. I don't know if I would call it an APTOR, but it could come from the APTOR line. I've seen several nice leos come from APTOR & het APTOR parents that have the similar intence orange coloration, carrot head, & carrot tail.

She just finnished sedding last night OMG you should see her color. Will post a pic later tonight!!
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1 Red Footed Tort (Bowser)
3 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo)
1 Bearded Dragon (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Argentine Horned Frog (Mcfatfat)
1 Togo Starburst Tarantula
1 Blue Cobalt Tarantula
1 Rosehair Tarantula
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
8 Button Quail (I promise they all have names)
1 Spaztic black kitty (Nikkita)
1 Baby Hairless rat (Artemis)
3 Hedgehoggies (Mr. P, Peaches, Cream)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

Please do! I would love to see that. Also try to include a good eye shot pic. From my understanding and through conversations I've had with other breeders who work more with APTORs & RAPTORs that there is something different with the eyes. I know RAPTORs have a solid red eye and I could be mistaken but I thought the APTOR was suposed to have an almost solid black eye. So someone please clear that up for me if they know.
I personally have only dabbled with some het APTORs and actually sold them over the weekend. I'm making space to hopefully work with the Diablo Blancas.
By the way, I compared your gem to some pics of APTORs on other breeders websites and I think your little one blows some of them away. APTOR or not, she's a beauty.

She does look like an APTOR, and she could be one and still get into the wholesale trade as Ron Tremper does supply a lot of big chain pet stores.

I found two pink solid eye leos at a chain store recently and after digging around I found out that they came from Mark Bell, and are most likly Tremper Blazing Blizzards. So you can find some higher end morphs that do make it to pet stores.
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www.LeopardGeckoArt.com

9.23.22 Leos
0.0.1 AFT
1.1 Red Ear Sliders
0.0.1 Russian Tort
1.0 Pembroke Corgi
0.2 Cats
8 fish

Could be an aptor. Looks like the one you said yes. Not sure you could email and see what he says. It's an very gorgeous leo! Also would love to see the pics after shed!!!!! haha....anyways good luck with her she's a beauty. All sorts of morphs for sure get thrown in all the time and end up at chain stores. Just got to keep an eye out!

Yep dose look very much Aptor.What are the eyes like ? dose it look like there's any snake eye etc going on ?.for sure it's albino,has a striped pattern,and tangerine in color,So if not Aptor ? a Tangerine striped albino ?.Very nice leo any way .

I would love to buy that gecko from you. If you ever consider selling her could you keep me in mind? Thanks alot. Mke Panichi
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honesty is my only policy

Here's after the shed.

I tried to find a good pic of a snake eye to compare it to I just don't see any out there. I have no idea whats its supposedf to look like but heres a decent pic of her eye.

I'm trying not to stress her too much I'm going to leave her alone for about a week now excpet for just her normal care.

Does she look healthy to you guys? She still not interested in food. I put a pic of her underbelly does that look dehydrated to you?

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1 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo)
1 Bearded Dragon (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Leopard Gecko (Tilly)
1 Dwarf Bunny (Rufus)
1 Togo Starburst Tarantula
1 Blue Cobalt Tarantula
1 Rosehair Tarantula
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
7 Button Quail (I promise they all have names)
1 Spaztic black kitty (Nikkita)
4 Hairless rats (Shimmy, Elvira, Squee, Gir)
4 "normal" rats (Marilyn, Bettie, Eve, Zim)
4 Hedgehoggies (Mr. P, Mama Hog, Spooky, Zoro)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

Good idea, let her get settled in and take more pics later. With a little proper care and TLC I'm sure you'll have here looking great in no time.
To see some good pics of Snake Eyes and APTORs to compare her to check out crestedgecko.com. In the pic I noticed the front part of the eye is darker than the back half. Could be a Snake Eye. Maybe you can get a better picture when she's settled in.
With that I'm know leaning more to APTOR or het APTOR because I've seen the Snake Eyes in the hets as well.
Someone please, I'm beggin for second opinions from people with more exsperience with APTORs than me.

Hey,you leo looks really sick, Leopard geckos cant have calcium with d3 in it. You need to get rid of the d3 calcium and help your little guy out.

I say APTOR 100%. In the one picture you can see it's a Patternless Stripe, and the eyes look like they have what's left of a snake eye, that is turning normal. It also seems to have a dorsal stripe going on but that could be an illusion if he's a little skinny from being in a pet store.

As for hets having black eyes that would only be if they were not albino. I have hets that are albino and they still have red eyes, unless you are thinking of a non albino Aptor/Raptor.

"Hey,you leo looks really sick, Leopard geckos cant have calcium with d3 in it. You need to get rid of the d3 calcium and help your little guy out."

I don't know who you are or what you are doing posting this misinformation all over the place, but get a life.
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www.LeopardGeckoArt.com

13.36.12 Leos
1.2 AFT
1.2.3 Cresteds
1.0 n. levis levis
1.1 Red Ear Sliders
0.0.1 Russian Tort
1.0 Pembroke Corgi
0.2 Cats
8 fish

Yea I was kinda thinking, calcuim without d3? I didn't think they differed from other reptiles in needing d3 to process calcium. I know people have different opinions on this but from the MEDICAL texts I have read all reptiles meed d3 to metabolize calcium, and if you don't have a UV light (which again is controversial) then they won't get it from anywhere but the food. So if you give them calcium without d3 they still cannot metabolize the calcium and its almost waste giving them plain calcium, as the amount that they even digest without the d3is minimal (again from medical books, not handbooks). Thing is I know what the medical book says I really just wanted peoples opinions.

But seriously does she look sick still? She's much more active and looks like she is improving.

That pic of her belly was taken the second day I had her, she's still wrinkley but not as much.

She's lookin around at me when I walk by the cage, still no interest in food, but to me she has a good sized tail so I think she can go a little bit. I have no problems taking her back to the vet---I just think she's doing better at this point, and I don't want her to stress anymore...

Thanks!!
-Lauren
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1 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo)
1 Bearded Dragon (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Leopard Gecko (Tilly)
1 Dwarf Bunny (Rufus)
1 Togo Starburst Tarantula
1 Blue Cobalt Tarantula
1 Rosehair Tarantula
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
7 Button Quail (I promise they all have names)
1 Spaztic black kitty (Nikkita)
4 Hairless rats (Shimmy, Elvira, Squee, Gir)
4 "normal" rats (Marilyn, Bettie, Eve, Zim)
4 Hedgehoggies (Mr. P, Mama Hog, Spooky, Zoro)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

Puregeno please do not e-mail me again. The link you sent after telling me d3 is "poison" sent me right back to kingsnake.com, not a particular thread.

If you have VALID reasons and medical proof to back up your claim please post it. Othewise saying my leopard looks really sick and D3 is poison doesn't help me.

My VET says she looks a little worse for wear, she's been stressed out and dehydrated for a week. You guys have seen leopard geckos more than she I just wanted another opinion I guess.

Thanks all
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1 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo)
1 Bearded Dragon (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Leopard Gecko (Tilly)
1 Dwarf Bunny (Rufus)
1 Togo Starburst Tarantula
1 Blue Cobalt Tarantula
1 Rosehair Tarantula
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
7 Button Quail (I promise they all have names)
1 Spaztic black kitty (Nikkita)
4 Hairless rats (Shimmy, Elvira, Squee, Gir)
4 "normal" rats (Marilyn, Bettie, Eve, Zim)
4 Hedgehoggies (Mr. P, Mama Hog, Spooky, Zoro)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

I think you are doing a great job with her. Keep it up. She could use some weight gain, but she'll get that in time. If she's long and lanky it may take her longer to fill in, I've noticed this with longer leos, they grow in length fast then finally get some gerth later on.
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www.LeopardGeckoArt.com

13.36.12 Leos
1.2 AFT
1.2.3 Cresteds
1.0 n. levis levis
1.1 Red Ear Sliders
0.0.1 Russian Tort
1.0 Pembroke Corgi
0.2 Cats
8 fish

Well stated. I do need to ask though, If an APTOR has the red eyes doesn't that make it a RAPTOR? Alot of the APTOR pics I've seen don't give a good eye shot. They just give eye shots of the RAPTOR.
I just scrambled around looking at some of my different Tremper Albinos and I have a mix of some with red/ruby pupils and some with black pupils. Even the one Albino het APTOR I still have left has black pupils.
To my knowledge the pupil color in the Tremper Albinos can ranges from red/ruby & black. I had a conversation with another breeder who produces alot more Leos than I do and he seemed surprised that 2 of the 7 Sunglows I produced this year had red/ruby pupils.
I'll try to get some pics to try and help explain what I'm talking about so we can continue this interestin discussion later. But that might be hard because as I go to look at the pupils I have at most 5 seconds befor the pupil closes to a sliver. I'd almost have to show you in person.
Thanks for this and any more info you have on APTORs.
p.s sorry if pupil is misspelled, the Websters wasn't handy.

I think the Trempers explained it pretty good on their site, at least the difference in lines.

"The exciting R.A.P.T.O.R. is an A.P.T.O.R. expressing the gene for all ruby-red eyes. R.A.P.T.O.R.S. hatch with and retain totally red eyes throughout their lives."

So I would then assume R stands for the RED eye.

"A.P.T.O.R. = a Carrot-head, Carrot-tail, Hypo Tangerine, Patternless, Tremper Albino in both normal and Giant size. A.P.T.O.R.s have the regularly pigmented albino eye."

Now the BLACK eyes you are talking about would be ECLIPSES

" ECLIPSE hatch with and retain totally black eyes throughout their lives. Their typical pattern is a series of longitudinal rows of black spots or dashes with white feet, lips and nose with freckling while the body is yellow and often combined with a carrot-tail. Some ECLIPSE have greatly reduced body spotting"

It seems like eclipse is still showing the body spotting, I'm not sure if this answers your question, but per Trempers page, non have come out patternless or spotless yet.

Now Tilly (thats her name now) I think would be considered a snake eye A.P.T.O.R. or at least an A.P.T.O.R

Closest pic to her color is # 932 R.A.P.T.O.R.

She DOES have a reverse dorsal stipe you are not imagining that

I want o make it clear I didn't not purchase this gecko from a breeder, I did purchase her from a petstore (who they get their geckos from, I will ask) But I'm not affilited with Tremper, I just think they make REALLY Gourgeous gekos, and the answered you questions better that what I would have come up with CSHerps

Hope that helped (specially coming from a leo newbie)I've been really interested in genetics ever since I started with color morphic reptiles about 10 years ago.

Again thanks guys!
Trempers Leopards

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1 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo)
1 Bearded Dragon (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Leopard Gecko (Tilly)
1 Dwarf Bunny (Rufus)
1 Togo Starburst Tarantula
1 Blue Cobalt Tarantula
1 Rosehair Tarantula
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
7 Button Quail (I promise they all have names)
1 Spaztic black kitty (Nikkita)
4 Hairless rats (Shimmy, Elvira, Squee, Gir)
4 "normal" rats (Marilyn, Bettie, Eve, Zim)
4 Hedgehoggies (Mr. P, Mama Hog, Spooky, Zoro)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

LOL sorry that looked like I WAS Tremper. I just wanted to make sure I linked them after I quoted them.

I guess I'm really lucky I found this beauty when I did. Lucky for her too I think.

I might consider a breeding project for the future.

I'll just be thrilled when I get her healthy and more active.
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1 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo)
1 Bearded Dragon (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Leopard Gecko (Tilly)
1 Dwarf Bunny (Rufus)
1 Togo Starburst Tarantula
1 Blue Cobalt Tarantula
1 Rosehair Tarantula
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
7 Button Quail (I promise they all have names)
1 Spaztic black kitty (Nikkita)
4 Hairless rats (Shimmy, Elvira, Squee, Gir)
4 "normal" rats (Marilyn, Bettie, Eve, Zim)
4 Hedgehoggies (Mr. P, Mama Hog, Spooky, Zoro)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

On the Red Eye thing, you've got normal red eyes and SOLID red eyes. The SOLID Red eyes are of that of a RAPTOR.

Call the pet store you got her from and ask to speak with the manager. Tell them that you bought a leo from them and need to know the supplier because you are trying to figure out the morph and by knowing the supplier you will be able to figure out the morph. I actually did this to find out who produced the ones I found at a pet store. Now if they tell you CRAP don't laugh, it's C.R.A.P. That is Ron Tremper's wholesales company.
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www.LeopardGeckoBreeder.com

www.LeopardGeckoArt.com

13.36.12 Leos
1.2 AFT
1.2.3 Cresteds
1.0 n. levis levis
1.1 Red Ear Sliders
0.0.1 Russian Tort
1.0 Pembroke Corgi
0.2 Cats
8 fish

To get pics of the pupils, dim lights in room then use the flash. You'll get a nice bright pic with wide eyes and wide pupils.
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www.LeopardGeckoBreeder.com

www.LeopardGeckoArt.com

13.36.12 Leos
1.2 AFT
1.2.3 Cresteds
1.0 n. levis levis
1.1 Red Ear Sliders
0.0.1 Russian Tort
1.0 Pembroke Corgi
0.2 Cats
8 fish

HAHA I don't think I could keep from laughing, but I will call them tommorrow or walk in (They don't have the best phone skills).
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1 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo)
1 Bearded Dragon (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Leopard Gecko (Tilly)
1 Dwarf Bunny (Rufus)
1 Togo Starburst Tarantula
1 Blue Cobalt Tarantula
1 Rosehair Tarantula
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
7 Button Quail (I promise they all have names)
1 Spaztic black kitty (Nikkita)
4 Hairless rats (Shimmy, Elvira, Squee, Gir)
4 "normal" rats (Marilyn, Bettie, Eve, Zim)
4 Hedgehoggies (Mr. P, Mama Hog, Spooky, Zoro)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

Ya, I tried to take pics last night and the batteries in my camera were dead.
I do thank you guys, you have cleared up somethings about APTORS for me. I do think I was thinking of the Eclipse.
I do have another question. Which is probably no surprise, Do the APTORS pupil colors vary from red/ruby to black like what I'm seeing in the Tremper Albinos or are they more like the red color like you see in RAPTORS?
You guys have really got me more curious then I allready was about this morph. I might just have to cough up the money for a group of APTORs & RAPTORS so I can learn more about them. I've got good sorces. The only reason I've held back is locally there is no way in hell I can get anyone to pay what they are worth or even half of it. The only person I know in this state who would do it (besides myself) allready has them and he can't even get $50.00 for his outstanding Snake Eye hets or even a $100.00 for an APTOR.
Sorry about the mini rant on my local herp market, I'm finding it very fustrating as of late.
Thanks again.