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Anybody doing anything with Bairdi morphs? There is huge potential in this area to breed snakes that exhibit lots of red or orange or yellow.

Anybody have photos of something you might consider a morph or really unusual?

Hypomelanistic or albino would be really interesting, especially on an snake that has potential for lots of red, like Vivid's metallic line (i'm the proud father of 2 from Tim!)

tom k.

Truly I don't think a morph form of the bairds rat snake could even match up to any of the line bred beauties like Vivid and several others have.
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-J.Hill

i disagree. there is always room for improvement and/or change. without even trying we don't know what the potential is. i see opportunities to breed for brighter colors or more red or patterns or something else.

I'm not saying that we should'nt try, I encourage it. I'm just saying that I don't beleive they will compare. I'm a huge morph fan but I think that 8/10 the original color (line bred of course) of the snake is better looking than a morph.
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-J.Hill

How much red are you looking for in a bairdi?

Perhaps you are seeking that "metallic" look........same snake........just a little closer!

That is without adoubt the nicest looking BairdI I have ever seen!!! Jeff

very nice, how old is the snake in that photo?

did your snake color up young or not until he was full grown?

is he from the vivid line or another?

my 2 bairdi are only 6 months old but one is becomming very yellow and the other is now starting to show red at the base of his scales. i'm excited they are starting to show such nice color already.

tom k.

That is fan-freakin'-tastic! I want a pair, put me in line!
Todd Hughes

OK........Steve that animal Rocks!! Fine Bairdi Serpent!

Here is a picture of an Albino eating.

Ken Diehl

This Bairds is not mine, very nice anyway!

Ken Diehl

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Here is a Pair of Adam Block Stock, both did not turn out as nice as Adam's Killer sire.

Ken Diehl

Here is a "Mexican" Bairds type that the picture does not do her justice, she is pretty!

Ken Diehl

ken,

beautiful snakes, especially the albino. i have never seen an albino bairdi so imagine they are quite rare.

might be interesting if you bred that snake to a nice bright red. if you do, let me know!

tom k.

>>Anybody doing anything with Bairdi morphs? There is huge potential in this area to breed snakes that exhibit lots of red or orange or yellow.

I'm working with albino, high red (Davis Mtn. locality,) and silver-headed-yellow-bodied Mexican phase (Galeana, Nuevo Leon locale). I've got some ideas as far as brightening the reds, etc.

Dusty

Suboc.com

dusty,

do you have any photos of an albino bairdi or another that is unusual?

tom k.

>>dusty,
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>>do you have any photos of an albino bairdi or another that is unusual?
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>>tom k.

Hey Tom,

I haven't yet taken any photos of the albino bairdi. I'll try to get around to that within the next couple of weeks. I did post my Mexican bairdi a few weeks ago. Should be on the 2nd page of the forum.

Ciao!
Dusty

I have a pair from Tim Gebhard, too, and of their clutch in 2005, the one I kept is a strange color. Her dark bands faded away very quickly and she is mostly just silver now. There's a pic of her on a thread fairly recently.
She's not a good feeder and is smaller than she should be, but the color is starting to show between the silver. I don't want to say she's a hypo, but I think it'll be something like that.
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...and I think to myself, "What a wonderful world."

I have a pair of the "albinos" but I would say hypo is a more accurate term to describe them.I also have some 277 CB babies that I am interested n breeding with a male that I found less than a mile from where the parents were collected from. The male is retaining his saddles at a pretty large size. he is now over 3 and a half feet and still has the juvi pattern with the beginnings of the adult colors. i am really loving the Bairdi

In previewing the photos I am posting I realized that I need new ones.

Jason

>>I have a pair of the "albinos" but I would say hypo is a more accurate term to describe them.

When I first saw pictures of them, I agreed that hypo seemed to suit them more...but now that I actually own albino bairdi...they're definitely albino. The eyes are ruby red.
I once heard that Tracy Barker thought that they were Tyrosinase Positive albinos. I think that she may be on to something...though that is a morph we usually see more often in Boidae than in Colubridae, I think this bairdi morph might be more aligned with that type of condition.

DR
Suboc.com

Yeah...I was the guy that showed Tracy Barker the Albino, pictures reflect a darkish eye colcor, but in all reality they are pink/red. Any picture sto share of your albinos?

Ken Diehl

>>Yeah...I was the guy that showed Tracy Barker the Albino, pictures reflect a darkish eye colcor, but in all reality they are pink/red. Any picture sto share of your albinos?
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>>Ken Diehl

I'll try to get a few photos up this weekend.

Dusty
Suboc.com

Well to be accurate, all I have are babies and I have not pumped them since I have had them so they are still small. With that said, I have noticed what I consider too much darkness in the babies and the pics of adults to think of these as "albino". My babies have a bit of gray "dust" almost on their heads. Gray being a lighter form of black... Maybe as my animals grow I will see what you others have seen, but if not I will sell the babies I produce as "being from the albino line but I believe the trait is hypo" or some other such line. Either way they are amazing animals and I can't wait until they get bigger and more colorful.

I am not going to ever argue about what the trait these animals have is called. It is not really that important. I just think if you believe something about your animals is true, you should tell perspective buyers. All we have about much of this hobby is opinions.

In my opinion, the Bairds rat is one of the best kept secrets of the american rat snakes and maybe the whole of american snakes. For those who don't know, these animals produce huge babies that eat right away and as you should have seen by now they have amazing colors under the sheet of silver gray. I am really ashamed of how long I have kept snakes before I found out about Bairds. They were actually the last of the american rats that I ever owned. I have kept all the others except the "greenish" and the green. These guys are my favorite... just wish people would buy them. For a tip to those of you who have babies, bring the adults to the shows and then they sell pretty well. Of course not as well as a ball python...

jason

>>I have noticed what I consider too much darkness in the babies and the pics of adults to think of these as "albino". My babies have a bit of gray "dust" almost on their heads.

That's why they probably are something along the lines of a T-Positive albino, like some of the boas and pythons. T-pos albino boas and pythons (caramel albinos) have some dark "dust" or pigment, if you will, mixed into their color, but they still have red eyes. There are also, at the same time, dark-eyed hypos in those same boid species. But unlike hypos of other snake species, these bairdi have red eyes. That fact alone definitely makes them different than the traditional hypomelanistic morph. My vote is T-positive albino, because I feel that is more accurate, but whatever they are, they're cool.

DR

Suboc.com

"but whatever they are, they're cool."

Can't argue that at all. By the way good luck on the Subocs this year.

Jason

Thank you, Jason. The same to you. Whenever I run across someone who is looking for exceptional 'glades rats, I always send them your way.

Take care.

DR