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only fat bodies Mike, no eggs!

When I mentioned the overies blew up. They actually went wild and failed to drop ovum and then became full of tumors.

In conjuction with this, the females developed huge fat bodies. I could the intent was to covert the fat bodies into egg yolk. But the system failed and the females continued to create fat.

I like you, thought if was a failed nesting, resulting in a failed absorption. But I was wrong. The females simply had nothing to lay, a tumorous ovaries and huge fat bodies.

As I mentioned, this happened more then once. Always with indo wild caughts, with an unknown medicial history. Good luck.

So are you saying she looks like she's full of tumors?
I talked to the person who produced these. His female recently died. From distotia. Sounds something like this. The eggs failed to form properly and then exploded, or her ovaries or something like that.
Is this something that's possible for her to recover from?
In other words, I didn't understand alot of what you said. The grammer and spelling was not a help as well! hahaha

Jobi, you know what this guy is talking about??

Those large light areas appear to be fat bodies. As in, an overabundance of fat bodies. The ovaries are not visable in your X-ray. They would be dark and in the lower middle. (one of Jodis pics shows some ovum in the ovaries)

I do not think they can recover from this, unless you have the reproductive system removed in total. And done quickly.

The problem is, we are all guessing. Only your vet has the ability to know anything. So all you can do is follow your heart(and its a good one) and or allow you vet to learn and teach you at the same time.

My choice as always been to support the monitor with nesting options, temp range, food support and water support then let it take its course. I am not a supporter of intervening at all costs. (to intervene, to thrust oneself into a situation)

I do have some very odd beliefs. One is, if wild females are not killed(predators and such), they will eventually die of reproductive complications. They will rarely if ever die of old age, unless reproductive complications are a natural product of old age. I hope I am wrong and I works out well.

Thanks. I can't let the vet do much as he doesn't really know anything. A shame considering he is the best I have available. I'll let things run their course and see. I'd hate to lose her as she is just an awesome animal. I also agree females probably die of reproduction problems sooner or later. Also, this is a pure captive bred and born individual so I can't use wc as an excuse.
Thanks.

With captive animals, there are no excuses, there are only reasons. To educate yourself, you look for the reasons. The blame always goes to us, period.

About reasons. I think people believe we can give these animals all they need in captivity. They may think because I do so well I am giving them what they actually need. Yet no one asks me. If you did, I would say the best I have ever done may reach about a 1/4 of what they really need.

Whats amazing is, how little it takes for these animals to survive. We can only do the best we can and try and get better. I wish you all the luck. Cheers

Good call Frank!

I also think this is cause by parasites, but not the common types found in the intestinal track, in these photos you can see abnormally big fat bodies in ornatus, salvadorii and becarii, all showed deficient reproductive system, but above all they have parasite livers.

None of these monitors showed any other parasites then liver, however all liver parasites where dead. The conclusion seems to be liver septicaemia from massive parasite death, we actually cause this when we treat our captives with wormers, the dead parasites decompose and the liver gets infected.

I tried to use smaller dosage at longer intervals, but this proved to prolong the monitors agony. I feel once the liver is parasite, theirs not much we can do, as even a good basking will kill the parasites and therefore kill the host?

Of course I may have all this wrong.

I had a 5 year old male savannah go ill, anorexic, and die in a matter of a week or two once. He also had severe liver damage as seen in these pics. Interesting.