>>his legs sure are chubby, do ornates have the concave like easterns?
Yes they do. I thought that Chip would never have a concave plastron again but to my surprise when the vet took the "cast" off of him in late 2006 I could see that it is still concave.
Lemme see if that shows up in the photo hmmm no not really & now I can't get the photo off this post lol. In this photo you can see pinkish colored plastron where new shell growth has been happening. I thought that was very exciting.
>>this is my large female three toes' tail
That is really interesting.. I can see a huge diff in the male & female tails of your 3 toed boxies. I guess you have to look at a lot of tails to get it? People I meet who aren't into turtles can't tell a male from a female or one species from another.
I've been really surprised by the number of people who've asked me if the male box turtles can breed with the female sulcata. Uhhhhh

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