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many of you know me many of you dont. lets just say im not a newbie but i will be if i get a hog.
i really like easterns but i read they are the harder species to keep and breed. the thing about easterns i like is their neonate colors and was wondering if any stay the silver/black or do all of them change as they get older? dont get me wrong i love how vibrent they can get as adults but i really like snakes that look anerythristic, is their an anery?(eastern,western or mexican?)(cant own tri colors here in n.y.)
my biggest question must be on feeding are they really as picky as they say or are most people just not used to them?
i have an abundant supply of frogs and toads here in new york they invade my house to the point they actually get in my basement. i actually dont mind cause they eat the spiders and crickets that get down their.
ill be reading care sheets and getting as much info as possible but would love as much insight as i can get from you guys and gals
thanx abunch
adam

p.s. what other species of colubrid would you most compare them too?
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hybrid breeders association
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.1 sinacorns
1.0 striped ghost corns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 blizzard leo gecko
0.2 normal leo geckos
1.0 3 lined mud turtle

Hi Adam
I'm only working with easterns. I'm not yet breeding them (probably can in 2007). Of the captive born babies I've acquired, 60% took to scented pre-killed pinkies (tree frog worked better than Am. toad or leopard frog), then converted to unscented after minimal coaxing. As far as color, the color of the babies is not that helpful in determining what they will become. Best to hedge your bets by seeing the parent(s) if possible. My easterns are not like any colubrids I've worked with. I would think they are more like copperheads without the big venom issue, but more active and alert. I'm planning to get more.

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Jamie W.

(url)http://rosyboas.tripod.com(/url)

I have a young Eastern. I couldn't compare her to anything else- she's just very different. She is timid but not reclusive. She is out in the open the most of all my snakes. She climbs constantly, or otherwise is to be found lounging on top of a hide or hanging over her water crock. She alternates between burrowing in aspen or just crawling into a hide and peeking her head out. She is diurnal- but wakes up before it is light. She hisses and flares up her hood whenever she spots someone, but doesn't hide. She feels "squishy," almost hollow. Although she climbs in her vines a lot, she isn't very good at hanging on by her tail when being handled- she isn't clingy. She's crawled into my hands voluntarily a few times. She was scared watching Snakes On A Plane.

I also have a Tri- it's too bad you can't have those. Why not?

Nanci

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0.0.1 Normal Corn, 0.0.1 Cali King 0.1 Nelson's Milk
0.1 Tricolor Hog, 0.0.1 Eastern Hog, 1.0 Eastern Box Turtle
0.0.2 Desert Torts, 2.0 Feral Pigeons

here in new york it is illegal to own any venemous animal including rear fanged snakes. it is actually noted on the law books. you can obtain a special licence(sp) but from everyone i know of that has tried they have been denied for various reasons. the only ones i know of that have licences are the ones that were grandfathered in and they are not allowed to obtain anymore or breed what they have. they must also renew their licence every 2 years and if you are late in renewing they will confiscate your animals.
adam
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hybrid breeders association
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.1 sinacorns
1.0 striped ghost corns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 blizzard leo gecko
0.2 normal leo geckos
1.0 3 lined mud turtle

N American hoggies are rear fanged as well. Better double check on them.
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Jenea
Guardian Reptiles

"The beatings will continue until morale improves!"

so basically all north american hogs are technically venemous?
at least to a point? i know that the tri coloreds are rear fanged venemous but i had no idea on easterns and westerns.
ill check into it.
thanks a bunch
adam
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hybrid breeders association
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.0 jurassic milk
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0 blizzard leo gecko
0.2 normal leo geckos

There is a lot of debate on the venom issue and delivery system, but they are rearfanged.
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Jenea
Guardian Reptiles

"The beatings will continue until morale improves!"

I wrote to fwinfo@gw.dec.state.ny.us to see if we could get clarification. I'll let you know if they write me back. Here's my letter:

I'm trying to determine if several snakes which are commonly kept as pets throughout the US are legal to keep in New York State. These snakes are rear-fanged, but are commonly sold in pet shops and at reptile shows and in other states are unrestricted and do not require a venomous permit to keep.

The species I am interested in are:

Heterodon nasicus nasicus (Western Hognose Snake)

Heterodon platyrhinos (Eastern Hognose Snake)

Heterodon simus (Southern Hognose Snake)

Heterodon nasicus kennerlyi (Mexican Hognose Snake)

Lystrophis pulcher (Tri-Color Hognose Snake)

Thank you very much,
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0.0.1 Normal Corn, 0.0.1 Cali King 0.1 Nelson's Milk
0.1 Tricolor Hog, 0.0.1 Eastern Hog, 1.0 Eastern Box Turtle
0.0.2 Desert Torts, 2.0 Feral Pigeons

well hopefully we will get a definetive answer to our questions. the gentelman i spoke to actually worked with the dec when they were writing the ban so he has some insight as to what the dec is thinking when it comes to animals that are illegal.
thanks again for your help
adam
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hybrid breeders association
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.0 jurassic milk
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0 blizzard leo gecko
0.2 normal leo geckos

I have adult and baby easterns. If your thoughts are to get one and feed it frogs, then don't. Frogs and toads carry parasites, among possible others viruses. I once was of the frog ok mindset. After terrible heartbreak and the loss of 4 easterns to the same malady (from their diet) I am now a rodent only feeder.

Their temperment is much like that of Westerns, but clamer. They are a very hollow feeling snake, but with tons of personality. I would say that they do require a good bit of time, especially if you are having to convert them. I think they are worth it though. Breeding is very much like their Western counterparts. As for color, I have never seen an adult colored light the neonates. They seem to either get brighter or darker as they age.
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Jenea
Guardian Reptiles

"The beatings will continue until morale improves!"

im sorry,
i didnt mean to imply that i wanted to feed one just frogs and toads but meant to say that they are available if i need them for scenting or food if need be. im fairly well versed on the idea of parasites in wild food for my animals. i keep a healthy supply of frozen rodents on hand at all times, but i can use toads and frogs for scenting if nescessary(sp)

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hybrid breeders association
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.1 sinacorns
1.0 striped ghost corns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 blizzard leo gecko
0.2 normal leo geckos
1.0 3 lined mud turtle

No big, just wanted to point it out. People pointed it out to me, and I didn't listen. It was a tragic mistake on my part. I love my easterns! They are the animals that got me into snakes in the first place. Because they are a specialized feeder, it takes a bit of time to get them converted. I find them pretty docile. I feed my adults by hand (except for a gravid female....watch the fingers then) You can see the fangs in this pic.

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Jenea
Guardian Reptiles

"The beatings will continue until morale improves!"

i just recieved an email from a gentelman here in new york that helped write the revisions to the nys reptile ban here is the copy:

adam,
>There is no list at this time, but they are not considering hognose
>venomous. Stay away from boomslangs and twigs and you should be OK in the
>rear fang department. If you get in any scrapes with DEC regarding rear
>fangs, call me.
>
>Regards,
>Tom

i didnt post his phone number for privacy reasons but it looks like i would be ok with hogs
thanks again for all your help
adam
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hybrid breeders association
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.0 jurassic milk
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0 blizzard leo gecko
0.2 normal leo geckos

Would that include the tricolors then?
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Jenea
Guardian Reptiles

"The beatings will continue until morale improves!"

i would have to assume that it also includes the tri-coloreds. but its an assumption. the reason that i believed that tri's were illegal is that i did not know that all hogs were rear fanged. i did find a list on line that included cat eyed snakes and other rear fanged but it did not list ANY hogs, so i guess it was my miss interpretation of the law.(i feel like an ass)
but laws can be tricky so i guess its ok
sorry for the miss info
adam
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hybrid breeders association
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.0 jurassic milk
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0 blizzard leo gecko
0.2 normal leo geckos