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lighting/heating question

newstorm Feb 03, 2007 06:59 AM

OK, I have a sub adult albig. I have her light cycle set to come on at 8am and off at 8pm. The ambient temp at night varies from 70* to 78* and everything in between throughout the enclosure. 70* is on colder nights, which here in Florida there isn't many. I have been noticing that she is out like 1 1/2 to 2 hours before her lights come on, and she usually crashes out in either of her 3 hides, anywhere from 3-5 hours before her lights go out. Now I have considered what FR has said about listening to the animal. In this case anyone would think, "hey her lights need to come on sooner, and could probably go off a little earlier too". But I'm not so sure, if its the correct thing to do. She doesn't really seem to be seeking out a basking spot, she just kinda hangs and crashes out in the open.
See this could be telling me 2 different things:
#1: She wants heat NOW, turn her lights on.
#2: Its early and she wants to relax a bit, and get out of her hide. Just cause she is awake does it mean she has to rush to thermo-regulate???
I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking this. Hopefully I explained myself good enough.

Thanks.

Replies (7)

FR Feb 03, 2007 09:27 AM

This is going to confuse you, but lites have very little to do with monitors. Ok, nothing to do with monitors.

95% of wild monitor activity has nothing to do with the lite from the sun either. Their activity is based on heat and heat held(absorbed) from the sun.

This is the same with captives, They use heat, they do not care where it comes from. They have use for heat 24/7 not when ever you decide to turn the lite bulb on(which has nothing to do with monitors) When they have a need for heat, like a meal sitting in their stomach, they seek heat, 24/7, not just when the suns up. In fact, 90% of varanid activity is out of the lite of the sun or litebulbs. That is, if that have the heat to be active. If not, they will seek whatever gives them enough heat, whether its a litebulb, heatpad, the sun and more.

Also, do not be confused, a lite bulb is not the sun, you know its not(hopefully) and your monitor knows its not. Its only a heat source. A heat source no different then many other heat sources.

Try taking the lites out of the cage. and aim them on the side of the cage. Where it heats the side. The monitor will go there, then move it to where it heats below the surface, the monitor will make a burrow and go there. Or do both, one heating the ground and one basking spot. Your monitor will use both, for reasons of its own. If you leave both on 24/7, it will still use both, but not use them in a way that suits you, it will use them in a way that suits it. For instance, many(but not all) individual monitors will choose to bask at night because that avoids YOU. You scare them, so they will avoid you. Of course if you give them a reason to meet you, like at feeding time. They will arrange their schedule to be out at feeding time, then go down and wait until your not there and then come out and bask.

Many individual monitors will bask at night to avoid their own cagemates, not all of the time, just some of the time, when they have a need too. Some hang out with other monitors in the day, for short periods, and then bask by themselves when the other monitors are sleeping or in burrows. They do this because they have a need to.

Slowly to the point, to listen to your monitor, you have to give it choices to make, then you can listen. If you tell it what to do(lack of choices) it can only do what you tell(allow) it.

Think about this. Reptiles do not know or care what day or night means, or nocturnal or diurnal. Those things mean absolutely nothing to them. What is meaningful are the conditions they provide. The sun heats objects, they use these heated objects. Light is a dangerous companion to heat, it means, monitors predators can see them. They would perfer to not be seen. See, I told you I would confuse you. Cheers

newstorm Feb 03, 2007 09:35 AM

So what you are saying is, in that particular time of day (morning) this is when she is seeking heat. Therefore I should listen to her and give her heat at that time, cause thats what she wants????

OR

She wants heat without the stress of light. She wants to bask in the dark, for all the great reasons you stated.

I am confused because how do I know what she wants? I can offer her choices, but Im afraid she will choose both, cause they both have heat. I'm sorry if I'm having a hard time interperting this.

newstorm Feb 03, 2007 09:36 AM

sry for the double post...

Should I offer a night time basking source? Like you said they will and can seek heat 24/7.

This is very interesting.

holygouda Feb 03, 2007 10:45 AM

I leave my lights on 24/7 so my monitor can use them whenever she feels the need to, but can also bury or go to a part of the cage that is completely dark if she wants.

Carmichael Feb 03, 2007 09:13 PM

I won't speak for Frank but many of our monitors (actually, all of them) have access to heat 24/7.....honestly, they know the best what their needs are. When they don't want to bask, they go hang out in a cooler/darker area and vice versa. It really takes the guessing game out of the equation. When it comes to monitors, I would rather err on the side of providing a constant heat source along with a thermal gradient and you really can't go wrong (assuming your basking area is toasty warm....120-135 ish while providing areas to cool down). For our Croc Monitor, for example, we have both a heat lamp (we use a Power Sun but anything will work) along with a large Pro Product Radiant Heat Panel. At night, the light is shut off by a timer but the heat panel runs 24/7; so, this shy animal can essentially snooze all night under a toasty warm heat device. our black throated monitor, on the other hand, has a heat lamp on 24/7 and he does just fine; has grown from a hatchling to a big boy.

Rob Carmichael

>>sry for the double post...
>>
>>Should I offer a night time basking source? Like you said they will and can seek heat 24/7.
>>
>>This is very interesting.
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

mikesmonitors Feb 04, 2007 10:03 AM

Hey Rob
Nice to see you posting here!
I'm going to have to stop by and see how you have grown.
Are these Monitors on display?
Mike
"GO BEARS!" Mike's Monitors! "GO BEARS!"

Carmichael Feb 04, 2007 01:32 PM

Right now, we have the Croc Monitor on display and the Black throated off display (that's used for education programs). Soon, we will have a Gray's Monitor on exhibit too.

>>Hey Rob
>>Nice to see you posting here!
>>I'm going to have to stop by and see how you have grown.
>>Are these Monitors on display?
>>Mike
>>"GO BEARS!" Mike's Monitors! "GO BEARS!"
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

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