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I was hoping someone here has a pic of the "nuptual pads" on the feet of Cuban tree frogs? I am trying to see if my two have them or not and I'm not exactly sure what to look for. Thanks for any help, and here is some pics of my two guys!
Adam

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They would be on the outside/bottom of the thumb, so I can't tell from that picture. They are a dark brown, rough-looking skin that is pretty obvious to see once you know what you're looking for.

If you can show the hands from different angles, we'll be able to tell you, though

Oh oh I just love posts like this!!!

Just for you I took pictures of one of my boys Nup Pads. If your's is a male and has the nuptual pads you won't miss them!!!

Here are two pictures, one from the top and one from the bottom. Kinda looks like a big hunk of dirt stuck to their "thumb"


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Heather

Great pics, Heather!

Yeah, Peregrinefalcon, that would be a male. That's a perfect example of a Cuban's nuptial pad

Well, I know the big light one is a female but I'm not so sure about the little one. I haven't got a good look at its thumbs yet, but I think I would have noticed the patches while it was hopping around so I think they are both females Thanks for the pics they were very helpful!
Adam
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good job on the pics EllasM I have been looking for pics on Nuptial pads for a very long time. If I may request that you add them on a webcite of have becki put them on hers so that way people can see what they look like so they themselves can look for them on there toads or frogs.

Thansk a bunches for those pics and good job
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Why thank you very much!!! And you are most welcome!!!

Right now we are in the process of finding a house and will be moving at the end of September. Once we get moved and I have all my "stuff" together I will have a webpage up/ I will be sure to have the images of the nup pads on there! I'm really glad that they have helped everyone
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Heather

Are you sure theyre both even males? I mean, the second is deffinatly a male, but the one in the first picture im not to sure about, just from the shear size and build of it.

Look at her the first photo and you'll see how clear the nuptial pad is. That's surely a male

Oh yes, all three of my adults are male, there is no mistaking those nup pads!! The female we had was almost twice their size and didn't have any pads.. pluse squeezed out over 200 eggs!
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Heather

I never said they were males, thats why I was asking about the nuptual pads pics. Why do you think they smaller one is a male? I checked them last night and neither of them had the pads.
Adam
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If neither have the nuptual pads and you haven't heard any calling then I think you may either have 2 females or one female and one young male. I think that Cubans go under the basic 1 year maturity. But don't quote me on that. They grow and reproduce so quickly that they may be odd balls in the sense that they mature sooner than others as well. (Cuban eggs hatch in 24 hours! And it took my tads just under three weeks to morph and come out of the water!!!)

About how big are your two anyway?
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Heather

The person who gave them to me said he had the larger one for about three years and the smaller one for about two, so I doubt that it is a young male. Although, he never kept them with any extra heat (other then room heat) so would a male not develope those patches if it was kept at room temperature? The larger one is 3.5 inches and the smaller is 3 inches.
Adam
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Well if they are that old and that size then I would say male. I guess it could be possible that the temps just aren't optimal for breeding plus I think that there needs to be a female present.
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Heather

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>>Well if they are that old and that size then I would say male. I guess it could be possible that the temps just aren't optimal for breeding plus I think that there needs to be a female present.
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I disagree. I think that if they're that size they're females, or a male and a female. And there doesn't have to be a female present for the nuptial pads, although I hear they're seasonal. My male, however, has always had them and I found him around March.

True, they could be female but they'd be the smallest females I've seen. All three of my males are around 3-3 1/2 inches. The female that we had was almost 5. Of course, if the original temps and feedings weren't optimal it's possible that they just didn't reach their full size potential. The nuptual pads are seasonal I believe, but our first male (Frap) Didn't have any pads until the female was introduced into the tank along with two other males that were already calling.
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Heather

Since they’re fairly old and those sizes, I still believe the larger more rounded out one is female, and the smaller one is male. Nuptual pads aren’t there 24/7 it depends if you bring out the 'breeding season' reaction with the right temperature, Male and female have different structures of their bodies just like how humans do, those pictures make it pretty clear that there’s a larger frog and a smaller frog, since they’re both past maturing age that’s about as big as they’re going to get, so its not like the smaller frog 'could suddenly get bigger'

It’s a male and female get over it

All three of my boys have their nuptual pads 24/7 and I don't really have any added heat or a female present.
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Heather

So I either have 2 females, 2 males or a male and female! Thanks so much for narrowing it down guys lol
Adam
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Sorry LOL Is there any way that you could get a shot of them side by side? Perhaps a comparison that way will make it easier.

It is possible for females to only be 3-3 1/2 inches, and if you aren't hearing any calling of finding any nuptal pads then I would have to say they are female.

This is still breeding season for Cubans so the male are still calling. Even my three inside call every morning around 8 am just before I turn their lights on and sometimes even after I turn them on.
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Heather

Here ya go...

and no, I haven't heard any calling or seen any nuptual pads.

Adam
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Ok... well.. if you don't see nups and haven't heard calling them I'm going to have to say you have 2 females. It is very possible for a female to only be around 3 inches they can just "get up to 5 inches"

Great shot BTW!
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Heather

Well, here's the thing. I have an adult female which is about 3 1/2" Both my males are about 3" flat, and I let the 5 1/2" female go to a petstore(she tried to eat the boys).

Also, even if they are adults, I don't know how long it takes for a female to reach full size, but I *think* I read that it takes a good while. And it would make sense in the 2" difference between my two adults, and the fact that I found a very large froglet (still looked like a young froglet, but much bigger) which has to be a half year old, so I wouldn't think they matured for a good two years, the females. And keep growing after that until they reach full size at some point.

If anyone knows differently, however, I'd love to know!
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