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I was going to label this post ID these snakes, but I figured them out. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Pueblan

Apricot Pueblan

tangerine Honduran

thanks for looking
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

Those are some great looking snakes!!,.....you have them ID'd correctly, HOWEVER, the "apricot" looks to have some influence from "hondurensis" to me. Still, very nice looking snakes...do you know for sure were it originated?....best regards,...Doug

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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Funny, I was going to say the honduran looked like it has something else in it. The nose pattern does not look like a honduran to me

Vinny

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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

Origins unknown. I got these snakes in a trade along with the one that I posted in the grey banded kingsnake and hybrid forum. It could very easily be a cross of some sort. I will have to research, try to contact the old owners.
Thanks for looking
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

after seeing the responses from here, I got ahold of the previous owners, who in turn got ahold of the guy who originally purchased the snakes and both the tangerine and the apricot are hybrids. Of course, the guy has no idea what they are mixed with, he just knows that the seller only does hybrids. Kinda irritating.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

Good detective work!!,...that does explain the "look" that the apricot had....the other guy mentioned that the "Tangerine's" nose-band looked kinda funny, which it does,...BUT!, I've seen plenty of "pure" Hondurans with incomplete nose-bands, the rest of the coloration and also the triads look "textbook" Honduran.I must also add, the top photo of the normal "pueblan" is an absolutely pure as they come beautiful looking example. It is super clean with nice wide triads with an almost "sockhead" appearance!, they don't come much better...thanks for following up on those!, those are all really nice animals!.........Doug

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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

I forgot to add, if the "tangerine" does have some other geneflow, I would have to guess "Sinaloan", his head looks narrower, and would explain the look of the nose as well. I'm thinking if Sinaloan WAS introduced, it was generations ago, and it's taking on more of the Honduran's characteristics.....Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Thanks for the feedback. I am pretty sure the pueblan is pure. I think sinaloan was mentioned in regards to the tangerine, but coming from people that dont know milk snakes, I dismissed it as them not knowing the difference. It is now possible that the original purchaser had told them it had some sinaloan in it and they just heard the name and assumed it was pure sinaloan. Well, kinda confusing since there are at least three parties involved. But, at least I know the snake is not pure.
thanks again.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

Yes,....the normal Pueblan is as PURE as the driven snow!! there is NO DOUBT, and also like I mentioned earlier, it's an exceptional example!. .....if you could post a good shot of the underside of the throat on the "tangerine", this could really help with final ID............this will probably be harder than it sounds, as they like to struggle while curling their neck down!!LOL!!.....that's just their nature !!...............Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Either way they are all great snakes. I honduranXsinaloan (or whatever) is definately a cool looking snake. Can you take head shots from above, side and below? Also, how big is it? Like DMong said, could help figure out what it is.

I wonder how much hondo and sin it has in it?

Vinny

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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

It is an adult size snake. About the same size as my sinaloan adults.
Here are soem all around head shots. (I am not choking him, even though it appears that way! lol) The snake was quite good during this photo shoot. Sorry if some pics are blurry. I was holding the snake and taking the pics.

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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

You did very good with those shots!!,...Even with those pics, it's still kind of a tough call. Hondurans usually have a more prominant amount of black under the chin area, as well as down the side of the mouth many times resembling a sort of "M" pattern underneath. yours is much more vague, as in "Sinaloae". but it could also be a very strangely unique individual!.It's tough to say for ABSOLUTE, but like we thought before, it probably has at least SOME geneflow from "Sinaloan", possibly from previous generations,..meaning more than likely not a 50-50 combination from either, with it having a much larger percentage of Hond. than the other......wow!!!!..that's my personal best guess!!LOL,.....Sorry I can't guarantee an absolute ID...but this is my opinion,....hope it helps just a little.....Oh, by the way,..this is kind of a "TEXTBOOK" example of why me, and many others don't agree with crossing/hybridizing,intergrading snakes on purpose for this very reason,....because all too often, the snakes lineage gets lost in the "shuffle" as it moves from person to person, and most definitely can contaminate many of the "pure" strains of many snakes that people have worked so hard for years to perpetuate and/or refine....this is fact!...You merely acquired them from somewhere, so you were not part of the problem I mentioned.....Others will strongly disagree with this, but I personally think they are full of crap, and really don't care....anyway, that is my personal opinion........Those snakes of yours are very nice looking regardless.........best regards,.........................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!