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is it true that bloods are overly inbred? how hard is it to find a perfect one?
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jake

my addiction:
0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
0.1 amelenistic corn snake (maizy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)
1.0 albino cal king (zeus)
0.0.1 wc garter (zim)
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hybrid haven

Well,...that's kind of a "two-part" answer. Actually, many of the morphs that are in the market today are VERY inbred, that doesn't mean that it has to be necessarily bad. In order for the snake to be visual for a specific trait(homozygous),it has to have the genes from others with the same trait, therefore that gene is always being perpetuated from generation to generation. A good example of this is the fact that ALL "snow" corns are in fact ALL related. Any morph of something is related to another one that looks the same, or it wouldn't look that way in the first place.......some are MUCH more inbred depending on how much "new-blood" is introduced(making hets). The point is All of any given morph are related, just some much more distantly than others..................As for the "blood-red" morph, the reason for why these snakes are smaller, and can typically be "problem feeders" is that IT ALSO comes along with the gene. Every time you you breed a pair of snakes together, you get a combination of ALL the genetics from the male, and ALL the genetics from the female, weather it be preferable, or not. This is what the "blood-red" corn also comes with, a small size,preferring lizards if they eat at all!. It just comes with the package.
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

go to serpenco's website. There Rich Z talks about this very thing. Just click on bloodreds under cornsnakes and he gives a brief history and talks about the bloodreds not looking like they used to any more.

Yeah,...that's a pretty good article,..ol' Rich does know his corns that's for sure!....I've bought several animals from him some years ago,........best regards,......................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

But today, bloodreds have been outcrossed to the point that they are not any less likely to eat f/t mice right out of the egg than are some other mophs.

Breeders of bloodreds have come along way with addressing the problems of years past, and we just don't have those issues to the same degree as one used to see in bloodreds.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

It's relatively easy to find a good one, if you look for those lines that are successfully producing good, healthy, EATING bloodreds.

Feel free to email me for some suggestions.

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

I agree. My babies eat very well on f/t. But I think the trade off is that now it is harder to find the really dark red bloodreds as opposed to ten years ago. This could be one draw back to the cross breeding.

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Actually, there is a new line of wild-caught bloodreds that is in the process of being tested against the current bloodreds. These are from an area not far from where the original bloodreds were supposedly found.

These are the dark, dried-blood color like the original bloodreds, but are not born small, and definately are not difficult feeders.

I've got three of them now, and they grow like weeds.

Leslie

That's awesome to know. What a great locale specific snake to add to a collection!!

Who is developing this new line?

Do you have a link to a website for info or photos, or perhaps could share some photos of the ones you have?

Does the new line have checker-free bellies at this stage in the line's development??

Thanks for any info you can provide. You've certainly arroused my curiosity.

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742