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It turns out that three snakes that I recently acquired are hybrids, but of unknown mixes. That really bugs me. I really love hybrids, but people need to be more responsible!!! I got two of the snakes thinking they were pure.
Now, Not knowing what mixes they are, I am not sure whether I will breed them. I'd have to sell the offspring as Unknown hybrids.

Here are the pics

Possible mex and ? hybrid...

Apricot and ? hybrid

tangerine honduran and ? hybrid

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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

Who said they're all Hybrids and what did they guess they were crossed with? Not that I know.......but I am curious to know where you got your info. Personally I think the unknown factor in a Hybrid means nothing if you are going to cross it with something very different, like for example the one that looks like a Honduran to a Corn or Rat snake. Bottom line is it is a Hybrid. As Hybrids gain popularity it will be expected to know how certain snakes came to be. But all these crosses will probably still be lumped into the category Hybrid anyway so I don't see any harm in taking the snakes you aquired and breeding them to other types of snakes. Just an opinion.... Now I am all for accurate record keeping and properly categorizing Hybrids, but so far there does not seem to be enough of us Hybrid likers to take it that far. Yet it would not surprize me if some people have begun that process. Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

the hybrid breeders association is trying to do just that(check the link in my signiture)

abaout the possible hybrids; breed them to something completely different (like a corn) then it wont matter that your not 100% sure because the offspring will be obvious hybrids. you can still mention that you are unsure but anyone who would buy a hybrid in the first place probly wount care (unless they have a big reputation at stake)
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jake

my addiction:
0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
0.1 amelenistic corn snake (maizy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)
1.0 albino cal king (zeus)
0.0.1 wc garter (zim)
hybrid breeders association
hybrid haven

i also agree with you jake except that i care to about what is in the blood line at least to a degree because if i want to recreate a similiar appearing snake with an unrelated blood line in order to keep down on incest and the problems that may appear after many generations. but you are correct that if i like the look of a particular hybrid and no background info is available then i would still breed it but to what would depend on the looks im trying to achieve and i would then market the babies acordingly ex: corn x unknown honduran hybrid. in most cases the buyer would want to know but in the long run if the snake offers something that the buyer wants/needs then they will most likely buy it and breed it
adam

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hybrid breeders association
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.0 jurassic milk
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery

>>It turns out that three snakes that I recently acquired are hybrids, but of unknown mixes. That really bugs me. I really love hybrids, but people need to be more responsible!!! I got two of the snakes thinking they were pure.
>>Now, Not knowing what mixes they are, I am not sure whether I will breed them. I'd have to sell the offspring as Unknown hybrids.
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>>Here are the pics
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>>Possible mex and ? hybrid...
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>>Apricot and ? hybrid
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>>tangerine honduran and ? hybrid
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>>****Misty****
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>>www.sneakyserpents.com
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>>"Life is Killing Me"

ROFLOL!!
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www.mesozoicreptiles.com

did I miss something?
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

I also would like to know why you think the second two animals are hybrids, they certainly could be, but are you sure? I mean the person who sold you the first one thought it was an alterna so that's not exactly a reliable source of information. I wouldn't personally work with animals I didn't know the parentage of but if you want to produce some beautiful snakes, to be sold in pairs to people as "hybrid milksnakes" I don't see why that would be a problem. Although it's animals like the two bottom ones that can cause alot of problems in this hobby...they don't look "hybrid enough" to be desirable in themselves as such, yet they look like nice examples of something pure and were obviously sold as that at some point. They should have been fed off as babies LOL

Horridus

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
R&R Herpetological

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why do you think that the last 2 are hybrids, the apricot might be but i see no reason on the hondo.
adam
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hybrid breeders association
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.0 jurassic milk
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery

Someone had mentioned that it had a different look about it. So, I did some research on its origins, the original purchaser said he got the snake from someone who Only does hybrids.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

well even if the breeder only does hybrids he must have had pure parents to start with, its only logical to think they may also be pure. it definetly does suck to be in such a position. i believe they look pure the apricot does look abberant but again i see no hybrid markers. the honduran has a small head compared to its body but ive seen this many times on animals that are power fed. their body seems to grow faster than their head lol(only a few occasions have i seen this, their may be another reason though)
i would say track the breeder down if possible but if not take it to a show and have some experts see the animals first hand or try and breed them to their "suspected pure" counterparts and see if anomilies pop up in the clutch
adam
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hybrid breeders association
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.0 jurassic milk
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery