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This is my 04 girl. She is about 6 feet and is just now starting to really get that adult female muscle tone. I've got her lined up with a motley het albino pos het stripe early next season.

Pictures taken with flash bounced from the ceiling, white balance calibrated.

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-Ryan Homsey

www.topnotchboas.com

NM

Just makes me think of a hunk, a hunk, a hunk of burning love !

Just kidding......She is awesome!! Great pics as well....

Nice snake but hit up Ron Michelotti's site and feast your eys on the first year production Sharp sunglows and tell me if we have a comparison? Me... I DON'T THINK SO! Like I said..nice Coral but no match for a first gen Sharp sunglow! Just my humble opinion.

That boa is a drop in the bucket, you think all sharp sunglows grow up looking like that? I see sharp sunglows that cause "whats the difference between an albino and a sunglow" posts on this forum.

Give some time for the sharp line to get as outcrossed as the kahl and I doubt there will be anymore better looking sharps out there than there are knock out corals or stripelines floating around.

Also what do you think that boa cost in 04? About a motley and a jungle away from the price of sharp in 04.

Greg Reinert

Although I do think sharps are beautiful, will remain beautiful, and are worth working with, they will certainly change a certain amount once more colombian blood gets in there, they are after all of central descent just like hypos.

The only Central blood in them is from breeding Sharp X Salmon to produce DH Sunglows.

Greg, you said this:
That boa is a drop in the bucket, you think all sharp sunglows grow up looking like that? I see sharp sunglows that cause "whats the difference between an albino and a sunglow" posts on this forum.:
No, I don't think all Sharps look like that nor did I ever state that in my post. I was comparing Rons to Ryans as far as color and contrast goes. Now, the whole "whats the difference" thing was caused by the breeder not the community. We all knew what it was but you need to take in consideration the breeder that made the mistake of calling the super nice albino a sunglow is LEGALLY BLIND! I think that makes it ok to make a mistake.

Then you said this:
Give some time for the sharp line to get as outcrossed as the kahl and I doubt there will be anymore better looking sharps out there than there are knock out corals or stripelines floating around.
This part really doen't make much sense to me cvuase the more outcrossed the get the better they'll get so I don't really see your comparison.

And finally you said this:
Also what do you think that boa cost in 04? About a motley and a jungle away from the price of sharp in 04.
Are you trying to compare the prices? No where in my post did I say anything about pricing. I was doing an apples to apples comparison.

Just to make it clear. I don't hate Kahls. The reason why I prefer Sharps over Kahls is mainly the end results. The majority of adult Sharp strains retain their vibrant colors where most of the Kahls tend to dull out one way or another as adults. Even the corals and the stripe lines. By the way Greg the albino Kahl in your post is an awesome example of a stripeline animal. Below is a pic of my favorite Kahl strain I use to own.

Ruben Michel

not from central decent. Where in the heck did you get that info? Really,i'd like know!

Hmm...let's see...smaller on average, more colourful, higher propensity to be nasty tempered...but hey, why believe me, ask Brian where the original female was found, his email isn't too hard to find.

I did ask where you got that info from in your post cause i've never heard that. Also I don't know where you get the fact that Sharps a smaller? All my Sharps are big animals that look nothng like centrals. Please let us know your source of this info so I can either agree with you or continue to disagree.

Nope. Every single person I have talked to in person that owns various sharps and has been in the business for a while has told me this. They may all be wrong, but for now I will believe them until they are proven wrong by someone. What you want to believe is up to you completely, but it would certainly be good if we could all find out. If you don't email Brian, I can. From what I understand and have been told, the original female was found in Panama, and before you ask whether I am confusing this with hypos, I assure you that I am not. So which one of us should email him?

believe who you heard it from you should e-mail him. I'm going off info given to me by a person who bought a lot of Brians Sharps when he was selling all of his. This guy is not a huge fan of crosses so i'm sure he made sure he got his facts straight before he invested.

Ok, that's no problem. Hopefully he will have replied back to me by tomorrow and I will cut and paste the emails.

I' ve heard the same things as well, but they are usually the hear say that works for there purpose in selling their up coming projects. Till this day nobody has proved that, but there are some people who feel it as fact yet again all on hear say.

Well, all of my BCI are Central except my Kahl and my Sharp. And with that, as well as conversations with Brian in the past I will say it is Colombian. However I have not directly asked him.

This quote is taken from "The Boa Constrictor Manuel" under the picture of the Matriarch Sharp Albino:
"Female Albino Colombian common boa constrictor (Boa constrictor imperator) which is the source of the Brian Sharp line of albino Colombian boa constrictors. This is [a] very beautiful strain which is incompatible with the Pete Kahl albino strain. If these two line[s] are crossed together you will get normal looking animals heterozygous for both kinds of albinism. Photo by Brian Sharp"

[] denote insertion to correct typo in book.

"The female albino boa that started the Sharp strain was a Colombian boa, not Central American, and was born in and imported from Colombia in 1991."

Quoted from an email from Brian earlier tonight.

I got the exact same response directly from Brian Sharp.

"The female albino boa that started the Sharp strain was a Colombian
boa, not Central American, and was born in and imported from Colombia in
1991."

My apologies for confusing everyone, but this is honestly the first occasion where anyone had told me any different. At least now I can spread the word.

Now that you know and have the facts, you can now get back to the people who told you otherwise. Always best from the horse' s mouth, not the behind.

time to find out forsure. Both you and Chris.

Your reply makes sense sort of... here is my rebuttal...

1) You went out of your way to compare a nice looking sunglow to specific sharp sunglow that is an exception to typical sunglows. Where did Ryan ever mention sharps or a any sort of comparison in his original post?

2) You telling me that as more sharps are outcrossed they are going to only get better and all the offspring in the future are only going to look even better than the previous generation? Interesting we have come so far to have complete control of the appearance of Boas we produce. The human genome project might have some questions for us as to how we can do that for humans.

3) No you were not mentioning prices but again Ryan was not mentioning sharps either. However the sunglow you mention had to be north of 12k in 04 it price being reflected by the $ and effort its breeder took to produce such a beautiful animal. So talk about comparing apples to oranges we are talking about how beautiful his sunglow is not which strain is better we heard that argument a thousand times.

As far as you not hating the Kahl line I understand that. It would take a lot for me to hate a genetic trait. What I don’t understand why your post could not have been positive like “wow looks close to Rons Sharp Sunglow!” or something?

We are all friends here. Some of our freinds like Kahls some like Sharps.

Greg Reinert

Greg, I think Ruben's meaning behind outbreeding enhanceing the Sharps comes with the theory that most outbreeding will be selective breeding for specific traits.

Looking at the first Kahl and the first Sharp, I'd take the Sharp in a heart beat. Because Kahls were outbred more and selectively bred for certain traits we have the great animals we do now, and even though Sharps have not had as much done with them, if you take the BEST Sharp next to the BEST Kahl, most people seem to like the Sharp.

said. I must admit I didn't even really read Ryans post. I just saw the post and replied in more of an inside on going debate that Ryan and myself have had in the past kind of way. It's always been friendly but it always ends up happening whenever there is a Sharp Kahl debate. In this case he never mentioned Sharps as you stated but like i explained above I meant it more as an inside joke but until this morning I didn't even look at what I wrote or I should say how I wrote it. When I read it over this morning I can definitely see where it came out in more of a rude way instead of a harsh joking way. I didn't mean for it to sound like I was being a huge a-hole but thats how it looks so sorry for that part to Ryan and everyone else who took offence.

Ok,now for the part I don't agree with.
You said:
2) You telling me that as more sharps are outcrossed they are going to only get better and all the offspring in the future are only going to look even better than the previous generation? Interesting we have come so far to have complete control of the appearance of Boas we produce. The human genome project might have some questions for us as to how we can do that for humans.

This I don't understand cause how did your awesome looking stripeline albino come to be? I thought the idea was to selectively breed stuff to improve the color and appearence? With more selective breeding should come better looking animals right? I mean thats why the Kahls are at where they are today. It just doesn't make sence(to me atleast) to say things won't get better with selective breeding. I was under the impresion that that was the goal.

Thats the only thing I think I don't agree with. You are very right about the fact that we are all friends here and we should be able to have a grown up descusion without feelings being hurt as long as I don't write it out like I did my post lastnite!LoL

Ruben Michel

Yes line selective breeding does produce animals of the highest quality. But lets say you have a litter of sharps and there are animals that do not represent the sharp strain well and animals that are off the charts like there are in most if not all litters.

Are you going to sell the ones that do appear as nice as "Non breedable sharps" of course not. People are going to but them and breed the not so hot sharps to not so hot hets and produce a not so hot litters and so on. The price they sell their offspring will reflect that as it does toady.

Look at some of the red albinos out there or pastel albinos starting to pop up. Fetching up to 4 times what a normal kahl albino would and up to twice a normal looking sharp.

However, back to your theoretical litter. With the better looking animals in your litter your going to advertise them as "Screamer Sharps" or something and of course sell them for a higher price then the not so hot sharps am I wrong?

People who buy the best are not going to breed it to anything but the best so that is where line breeding comes from.

And that is how I came to the conclusion that as time progresses yes we are going to see better looking sharps as well as ones that do not appeal as much as say... a... Kahl strain lol

I hope you catch my drift and no hard feelings

Please keep us posted on your anery female any Aztec in her yet?

Greg Reinert

I'll be getting me some Sharps......if I can hold on to my money.

Somewhat odd to me that you would chase this post down in multiple forums to tout the superiority of sharp sunglows. Investment bias isnt a driving factor there or anything, is it Ruben?

To avoid having to type out my response at every forum: here is my response to Ruben via one of the other forums, for the folks here at kingsnake:

"Thanks all!

Actually Ruben, I would imagine those sharp sunglows actually have the benefit of more refined bloodlines than that of this kahl sunglow. Like I said earlier, the hypo het male that produced this female was not great at all... and the albino female was just decent. Sharps are higher dollar and in more demand... people will be breeding them to, on average, more refined animals than the lower dollar kahl strain.

I've seen some of the sharps in person, while not Ron's, doug's I believe they were. Those sharps, which were from pastel bloodlines if I recall, were real nice. Better than my girl here from most standpoints. But not that much better... AND this girl is from just mediocre bloodlines. Not much of a comparison. On an even playing feild, I see both strains being very comparable, with maybe a slight nod to the sharps. No where near to the degree you allude to however, IMO. You dont happen to have any "sharp bias", do you? . From what Ive seen, sharps often have a burnt orange coloration in their saddles and tail. I personally would much rather see bright red tails and saddles, in addition to coral coloration. Although, I dont always want that coral...I think clean and contrasty sunglows are amazing as well. It's certainly subjective as to which slight phenotype variations between the strains people will prefer."

I wasnt really looking to get into a widespread debate about Kahl versus Sharp with my original post here... but ok.
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Take Care,

-Ryan Homsey

www.topnotchboas.com

I replied to Greg's post as far as how my reply to your post was. Here's what I wrote so I don't have to retype it cause I type like a SNAIL!

I must admit I didn't even really read Ryans post. I just saw the post and replied in more of an inside on going debate that Ryan and myself have had in the past kind of way. It's always been friendly but it always ends up happening whenever there is a Sharp Kahl debate. In this case he never mentioned Sharps as you stated but like i explained above I meant it more as an inside joke but until this morning I didn't even look at what I wrote or I should say how I wrote it. When I read it over this morning I can definitely see where it came out in more of a rude way instead of a harsh joking way. I didn't mean for it to sound like I was being a huge a-hole but thats how it looks so sorry for that part to Ryan and everyone else who took offence.

So, sorry about the old thread JACKING LOL I meant it more as a joke but it didn't really come out that way. Oh,and just for the sake of argument the pair that was used to make the first Sharp sunglow also weren't anything special so we're equal there!

Goodluck wit all your pairingsthis year!

Ruben Michel

Ruben Michel

Thanks for clarifying.

I've been crazy busy at work and havent had time to reply.

No worries about the hijack.

I think the whole kahl vs sharp debate is very subjective... taking out any bias towards particular phenotypes preference or because of investments one way or the other... I would argue that they are very very comparable. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. I might would give a slight nod to the sharps due to their ability to hold color so well. But we're extremely early in the game... there's lots of room for refinement on both sides. Most likely, both will continue to improve and stay at comparable levels. Whether or not one is "better" than the other will continue to be based on personal preference.
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Take Care,

-Ryan Homsey

www.topnotchboas.com

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Man Ryan, she's looking really really good. Of course the pix you take tend to help show your animals off quite nicely.
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Randall L Turner Jr.
Boas make the world go round.

Sunglow anyday ..I have seen more colors come out of them then Sharps...Didn't Brian sell his stock and now has all Kahl lines..What about babys that look like this..These are Babys from a Kahl Strain..Babys owned by Brad Boa. I really like these alot.You can't see all the hot pinks and reds ,but there are tons of color in these....I just like the Kahls better

and a male I produced here out of a DH Burke lipstick line bred to a Pual M. het albino female.

I'll take the firey red color over any ..

Van
http://www.vanzwedenreptiles.com/

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Braaaaaaad Boaaaaaaa!!!!!! I love that guy's name.

Dang I love that Boa..Thats a Keeper SDI.You have better picture taking skills then I do ..Very Nice
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Brian sold his Sharp stock for two reasons. He was having trouble breeding them. He was a BCC guy so he did things the BCC way and it wasn't working out well. He also bred the Kahl to a Suriname and liked the results so he stuck with just that. So the only Kahls he has are Suri X's.
Sharps have more burnt orange color, and while they have more color as adults than Kahls do, they do not have the red tails that SOME Kahls have. So it makes more sense for red-tailed Kahls to be used in a Suri project. Also the Kahl pattern works better with Suris, the Sharp if compared to a BCC pattern would be more fitting of a blocky pattern Brazilian, than a thin saddled Suri.

Sharps and ofcourse you'd rather have the Kahl coral. I would to if all I had in my albino collection was Kahl strain animals.

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Jason Dowell

you looked?
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how T pos's came about?

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Take Care,

-Ryan Homsey

www.topnotchboas.com