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I was checking out a photo of a white-sided Great Basin Gopher snake today in the Pit section of the forums. For awhile white sided rat snakes, bull snakes and relatively recently, brooks kings, have been around.

I kind of made me wonder why there's (to the best of my knowledge) no white-sided corns in existence. Or maybe if "bloodred" (diffused pattern) is a type of white-sided gene which doesn't become white in corns, but does wipe out the pattern on the snake's sides.

Any thoughts on this?

Tim

Third Eye

I have often thought about it as well. Just like there are no leucistic corns either.

>>I was checking out a photo of a white-sided Great Basin Gopher snake today in the Pit section of the forums. For awhile white sided rat snakes, bull snakes and relatively recently, brooks kings, have been around.
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>>I kind of made me wonder why there's (to the best of my knowledge) no white-sided corns in existence. Or maybe if "bloodred" (diffused pattern) is a type of white-sided gene which doesn't become white in corns, but does wipe out the pattern on the snake's sides.
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>>Any thoughts on this?
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>>Tim
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They are getting closer I do believe,
Have you seen the pied side bloodreds?
>>Third Eye
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Yeah Jimmy,

I've seen those. But the white-sided gopher was wild-caught, not selectively bred. The same is true for whitewall speckled kings. I don't know the history of the others, but I suspect they're similar.

Tim

U suckered me in on that one. Answer is easy - no WC Leucistic or White-sided Corns have been found. No matter how crazy some of these mutants may look, almost every genetic variation is a result of one (or a mixture of more than one) WC mutated animal. Corns may be an exception as I am totally ignorant about the origin (& make-up) of all those Corn mutants........it would be interesting for someone to compile a list of mutations that originated spontaneously from captive breedings. This should exclude all the man-made double homo, rtiple homo, etc. mutations. Those Argentine Boas are the only ones I can even think of. I don't think I would NOT count Leucy Balls, Cinnamon Pastels Balls, etc. as they were a result of breeding animals selected for "slightly" odd characteristics - meaning = they had no idea breeding two of these slight oddities would make a "Super" as we call all the co-dom Ball things going on now a days = exclude these on the lis, I bet its a short one.....

read "Don't know why I expected to see a WS Corn Tim.....".......dolt

Sucker!

Ain't no thing, Joliff. I guess the core of my thought process was wondering if "bloodred" was really a type of "white sided," without the white, but with the diffusion/absence of pattern.

It could be quite possible that most forms of white sided snakes are wild caught, and people don't herp for corns (due to their captive bred availabilty) the way they'll seek out other snakes in the wild like rattlers, Trans Pecos rats, gray bands, etc.

Good luck with your projects in 2007!

Tim

I realized this at a show Sunday-
some striped corns look REALLY similar to white-sided Everglades. White-sided everglades & black rats look very different from each other, but it's supposedly the same gene that makes both white sided. So, maybe that's what the gene is in corns? Striped corns look as different from Everglades as Everglades do from Blacks..