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from last year.

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
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Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
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Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Kerby,

How are those produced? Do you know the genetic recipe for those?

I see them at the Daytona show every year but other than that I don't see them to often.

so you don't know what the genetic recipe is?

I figured it out after talking to someone who was using incorrect terminology in describing another cal king project and then put 2 and 2 together. It was an assumption on my part, but proved correct.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

They look like they might have some "Nitida" in them, or maybe some of the Davis local?
-Phil

Melanistics are a morph of their own just like albino... Not a combination of traits.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
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Awesome.

I haven't seen too many Melanistic Cali Kings available...

They pop up here and there.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
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www.captivebredforum.com

Good to have you back Kerby, the snake room is a lot more exciting when they all start eating again, eh?

He is pretty cool looking, love those stripes long the side.

Do you have pics of the parents?

I haven't warmed up the snake room yet. I won't for another month. These have been warm and fed all winter along with a few other special projects.

Here are the parents.

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

a few from the clutch are in the pic....

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
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Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Very interesting...

Thats a blizzard??? and a ----??? The dark one doesn't look like any of the melanistics I am used to seeing. It looks kind of like the siblings to the paternless chocolate cal that JetZen used to post. Whats the story on that guy?

The dark one is a "morph" often referred to as Mendota... Or Davis.. Technically they are melanistic... As when you breed a blizzard to one of those you'll get melanistics...

They aren't as nice as the patternless melanistic ones though...
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
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It is neither a Mendota or a Davis.

I have both of those.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

The female is a Blizzard and the male I picked up at the Tucson Reptile Show in 2005 from the same guy who sold me the male hypo - "Lavender" from Great Valley Serpentarium....so I was taking a small risk on buying 2 adult males that have never bred before.

By breeding the male Chocolate with the Blizzard I found out that he is also het for albinism. His face at that look when I breed Blizzards to other snakes...I know that is vague...but my assumption proved out.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

So how did you end up with more blizards in the clutch?

Correct me if I am wrong but blizard is a combination of albinism and anerythrism? If the "chocolate" was only het albino how could you get blizards in the resulting clutch?

So many freakin types of hypos and melanistics...so confusing!

on a slightly different note... in the clutch shot you posted there is a baby on the bottom right that has a really neat pattern, from the part I can see it almost looks like a mossaic. Got any pics of that little guy?

cheers

**So how did you end up with more blizards in the clutch?**

You are right a Blizzard is a combination of 2 recessive genes being displayed at the same time (albinism & hypermelanism), so the male that I used is a double het.

**Correct me if I am wrong but blizard is a combination of albinism and anerythrism?**

In cal kings a Blizzard is a combination of albinism and hypermelanism (Davis, Mendota..) In corn snakes it is a combination of albinism & anery B

**So many freakin types of hypos and melanistics...so confusing!**

Agreed, it will take a few more years to figure it all out through breeding projects...I've got a good start but I have so many combinations to do yet.

**on a slightly different note... in the clutch shot you posted there is a baby on the bottom right that has a really neat pattern, from the part I can see it almost looks like a mossaic. Got any pics of that little guy?**

I will have to take a look at the pic again and see if I haven't sold it already or if I still have it.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

So if the blizzards are a combo of melanistic and albino, do they still have a faint pattern that I just can't see in the pics?

Also, are the mendota and davis different locals of the same melanistic gene? Are they compatible?

I am going to asume that they are not compatible with the "chocolate" melanistic parent pictured above? (otherwise I feel like we would have seen the patternless "milk chocolate" from you a while ago)

**So if the blizzards are a combo of melanistic and albino, do they still have a faint pattern that I just can't see in the pics?**

Some do have a faint pattern on them. If taken outside it is easier to see.

**Also, are the mendota and davis different locals of the same melanistic gene? Are they compatible?**

I believe they are the same gene, but I haven't done that match up yet. I am planning on doing it this year.

**I am going to asume that they are not compatible with the "chocolate" melanistic parent pictured above? (otherwise I feel like we would have seen the patternless "milk chocolate" from you a while ago)**

I think it is all the same, just as the Chocolate Banana is the same (Don Shores did that match up last year with a Chocolate Banana x hypermelanistic). But in order for me to say for sure I would like to say so because I did it and know for certain. It just takes a few years to prove/disprove some match ups. I have had the Mendotas since 2002, I will be breeding my Davis cal kings this year, I have had the Chocolate Bananas for a couple of years....I still have some ideas for breeding with the chocolates.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes