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So about a week ago we tried to feed our 15 ft, approx 100 lb burm...he was acting really crazy and refused...now mind you he has NEVER refused before...well we take a closer look at him and it looks like he has a "bruise" down the side of his neck...so a week later and he hasnt changed at all...he was pushing up on his cage for a long time trying to get out...i mean he was STRAINING with all of his power...now his muscles on the side of his neck that he hurt dont seem to want to work...we talked to a vet that told us to watch him, he hasnt changed at all in about a week...his condition hasnt changed negatively or positively...does anyone know what is going on???

THANKS IN ADVANCE!!

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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
0.1 Amazon Tree Boa (GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

He probably starined a muscle in his neck. its only been a week since has eaten? i wouldn.t worry about it too much. just keep an eye on him like the vet said. my burm has never refused a meal until recently turned out just to be the weather lol...but yea he should be fine just give him time to heal after stressing his neck out he just might need time to heal
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1.1 Children (Mattie & Trent)
2.0.1 Normal Ball
1.0 water python
1.0 Burm
1.0 Carplot Python
1.0 Rock
0.1 FWC
1.0 Mussy
1.0 Albino Burm
1.0 Colored ATB
1.0 Shiba Inu
1.0 Hamster (daughter had to have it)

Thanks...that is all that we thought it was...and one of our friend's, well his burm did the same thing...he said that male burms and retics will do that if they smell a female in heat, but the burms are too stupid to stop trying to get out and will hurt themselves...lol thanks again

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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

Your burm isn't stupid, in fact he is trying to tell you something but you aren't listening. He is reacting to stress. Its your job to identify that stress and correct it. Hyperactivity is sometimes associated with respiratory issues. Any signs of a respiratory infection, heavy breathing, snot on the glass etc.? Or it could be his enclosure, too small, too hot, too cold, no where to hide and feel safe? Moving the cage away from other mature pythons that are in the same room may help. Of course males are looking to breed this time of year.

actually...he isnt near any other mature pythons...we just recently got him a girl and that was AFTER he hurt himself...and we know what to look for when it comes to a respitory infection...and NO he doesn't have and has never had any problems...so reticguy thank you for trying to say that he is trying to tell us something but we arent listening...in fact we are very intune to all of our snakes...he just likes to try and get out...but thank you for your concern...but next time, try not to come off the way you did...
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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

"he likes to try to get out" No, he does not like his cage, or temps, set up etc.

look you dont know my snake...and he does "try to get out"...he has been in that cage for a while...so thank you once again for acting like you know what i am talking about...
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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

Your snake is stressed and that is why it wants out of its cage. If you keep it in an aquarium it can not feel any sense of security and I would suggest getting a good commercially built cage. Good luck.

look i really appreciate that you seem concerned...but trust me our snake is not stressed...he just wants out...he only pushes on the cage after we put him back in after being out...so once again...thanks...and our snake is not stressed...
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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

If you need advice and people give it, why in the heck are you being such an idiot in not heeding good advice? Your snake is trying to get out BECAUSE YOU ARE DOING SOMETHNG WRONG. It's that simple. A content burm will move around a bit but for the most part, they just like hanging out. Restless males will sometimes become very active to find a mate but those are usually in short durations and typically on a seasonal basis. It sounds like your snake is telling YOU something and that is "this environment stinks". So, change it.....more space, better temperatures, higher humidity, better diet, less stress, etc. etc.

When you ask for help, be prepared to get some answers. "Retic guy" gave you some good solid advice and it was with good intentions. I'll be more direct and say that folks like you shouldn't keep burms if you are not willing to heed good advice. Don't forget, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS ASKING FOR HELP.

Personally, my advice would be to get this snake to a good vet and do a complete blood work up, fecals exams, the works. But, you don't sound like the type of person that is willing to go the extra mile for your snake and that's too bad.

Rob Carmichael

>>look i really appreciate that you seem concerned...but trust me our snake is not stressed...he just wants out...he only pushes on the cage after we put him back in after being out...so once again...thanks...and our snake is not stressed...
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>>Jessica and David Spendolini
>>JND SERPENTINES
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>>OUR BABYS:
>>1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
>>0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
>>0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
>>0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
>>1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
>>1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
>>1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
>>1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
>>0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
>>1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
>>0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
>>0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
>>1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
>>2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
>>2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
>>1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
>>1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
>>0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

Carmichael....

First off all, you dont even know us...how dare you sit there and say that we seem like the people who wouldnt do anything for one of our snakes...before yall were up here running your mouth we found what was wrong with him and why he did it...so once again, you and reticguy dont know anything...our snakes are our lives...

Second, if someone is asking advice, generally they dont want the person who answers them to sit there and talk down to them...

Third, both of yall sound like you need to be back in high school...you both sit there and dont know how to talk to people...

so goodbye...and any response from either one of you after this will be ignored...

i guess our friend is right about some, NOT ALL, the people on here...some actually do know what they are talking about...and well some, dont need to be on here...

have a great life
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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

Okay, I think we all need to take a deep breath and stop attacking one another and focus only on what is best for the snake. When it comes right down to the nitty gritty we are all on the same side whether we get along with each other on a personal level or not. Though I would like to first say that Rob and Reticguy were genuinely trying to help you and give you good, sound advice in response to your original question. You took offense to thier negative reactions to your negative reactions and insults were traded. All somewhat understandable, but unneccesary. The bottom line here is that we all want what is best for the snakes. That fact can't be argued.

Now, in my experience male burmese will attempt to escape their cages for three main reasons:

1. If they are uncomfortable with their cage. If something in it or about it stresses them.

2. If they are hungry and want food.

3. If they want to breed. This often happens this time of year whether they smell a potential mate or not.

Now, if he has been in the same cage and has been content with it, content in it, for a considerable period of time and no extreme changes have been made to it recently then in all likelyhood it is not a factor concerning the cage and that possibility can be confidently eliminated.

If you have fed him and he still roams and noses then it can only be #3, the desire to breed. If you have any mature female burmese then by all means let him breed. Judging by your list you don't have any at the moment. If any of your female retics are mature you may want to consider allowing him to court one of them and this may very well alleviate his anxiety. The worst thing that can happen is nothing. The upsides are that he will lose interest in escaping and you may possibly get bateater babies het for albino in a number of months.

If you are interested in this last suggestion and need any tips on stimulating breeding in hybrid pairings drop me an email and I will help out in any way that I can.

Now, if everyone can just make an effort to get along and show respect for/to one another, that would be great. Remember, we are all on the same side here. It's about the snakes, not about us.
Our Website

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David Beauchemin
High End Herps.Inc
http://HighEndHerps.com

David...

Thank you very much for your sound advice...he has always been content with his cage and we havent changed anything...which was EXACTLY what we were trying to point out...but none of the less, we were attacked about the cage...anyway that is bridge under the water...

ACTUALLY one of our retics, IS for him...we want the bateaters...and we do appreicate any advice that you have focusing on the bateater project...that is one of our main projects that we want to produce...i will attach a photo of the both of them...he is a little bigger than her, which i know might cause a problem...should we still try to put them together???

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

by the way...the picture of him is a little bit older!!!

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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

HERE IS THE RETIC...

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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

She's a very good looking retic, but clearly not big enough/old enough, to give off a "mature scent" that would attract and hold a male python's attention. However, if the shed of a mature burmese was entered into the equation the male can be fooled into believing he has a mature female at his disposal. I don't suggest this however as it would cause undue stress to the young female retic who would not understand what was happening and would feel threatened.

Perhaps for just this year you can obtain a mature female burm, normal or albino, and simply produce albino or het albinos. These can still often be found for very inexpensive prices or even sometimes for free.

Before anyone else says anything about it, your female had a retained shed during the taking of this picture. I realize that the picture may very well have been taken weeks or even months ago and it is no longer an existing issue. I'm just trying to avoid further forum spats by being the first to address this, lol, and thus rushing it out of the way. But an easy way to offer your retics a high-humidity environment to loosen their sheds is to create a hide box out of a large sweater box with a hole just large enough to get in and out of. Have the lid fastened down securely. Fill the inside half-full with very damp (almost wet) spagnum moss. She'll get in there and her shed will literally FALL off when the time comes. I know that retics are notorious for partial shedding and retained sheds. I run 80% humidity in my rooms and I still get girls (and gents) with partial sheds hanging off of their backs. Then the worst part, little pieces of shed all over the place, lol. Darn retics!
Our Website

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David Beauchemin
High End Herps.Inc
http://HighEndHerps.com

how r u david .
well this is jessi husband david , well what happen to the burm happen before we got the big female retic . we do have adult female boas will that set him off to ? they were right out side the door where he was . the shed problem we got her that way . i really don't have shedding problems with my snakes my ball pythons and my burm all shed in one whole shed.
david thank you for helping out .

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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

I commend David for taking a much more middle of the road approach; kudos to you David. I, on the other hand, got caught in one of those scenarios where folks ask for advice, and, then bark at the first person who tries to help (I just came to that person's defense). I know you said you'll ignore reading this, but I'm sure you're reading it. So, I apologize if I in some way offended you.....I'm actually a great person, easy going and have a great reptile facility that you are welcome to come visit (www.thegrassisrattling.com). In terms of my experience, I'll let my credentials, published work, years of speaking at the international level, breeding successes and success in keeping burms long term (while rehabbing literally 100's of burms...maybe more) speak for itself - my only concern is for the animal - and, I deal with people on a daily basis in my curatorial role so I do have very good "people skills". Yeah, your'e right, I don't know crap.

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center

>>Carmichael....
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>>First off all, you dont even know us...how dare you sit there and say that we seem like the people who wouldnt do anything for one of our snakes...before yall were up here running your mouth we found what was wrong with him and why he did it...so once again, you and reticguy dont know anything...our snakes are our lives...
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>>Second, if someone is asking advice, generally they dont want the person who answers them to sit there and talk down to them...
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>>Third, both of yall sound like you need to be back in high school...you both sit there and dont know how to talk to people...
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>>so goodbye...and any response from either one of you after this will be ignored...
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>>i guess our friend is right about some, NOT ALL, the people on here...some actually do know what they are talking about...and well some, dont need to be on here...
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>>have a great life
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>>Jessica and David Spendolini
>>JND SERPENTINES
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>>OUR BABYS:
>>1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
>>0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
>>0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
>>0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
>>1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
>>1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
>>1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
>>1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
>>0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
>>1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
>>0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
>>0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
>>1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
>>2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
>>2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
>>1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
>>1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
>>0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

first you and everybody else was talking to my wife
my name is david how r u doing
well i have heard of you but just hear say really. like i responded to the one that posted dude , i have raised burms since i was 15 , now i'm 29 just 4 the record my burm does not have URI or stressed becouse of his tank or temp ect...and that the thing about burm being lazy when they get biger is not true i found out that it depends on the snake both of my big burm was really active and move around a lot. but i have seen big burms stay in one spot for hours to so it really depends on the snake i think .
but this is the first time any of my snakes have ever done this that is why i asked her to go on here and ask for advice
thank
david
me and my burm jr

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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

Well it sounds like you have tons of experience with burms so there couldn't be a thing wrong with it. Thats a beautiful albino too I wish I had it!

While I can not personally attest to Reticguy2's knowledge (which from his post was good solid advice) I can attest personally to Carmichael's. His knowledge is eons beyond what I could ever dream to have, and when I get advice from him, I know it is well tested knowledge. Whether or not he offended you, take a moment and step back and look at your snake and its caging. You didn't offer to us what it was housed in, what temps were, how close it is to other females (and they don't have to be burms but breeding and in season females will encourage stress behavior in male of all types, hormones are hormones), temps, changes in light levels, new animal additions, recent outings. These all contribute to stress. Stress makes a snake restless

Adult burms do not really do a whole lot. I swear my big female goes days with out moving. She is much smaller in size than the one you have at just shy of 12 feet and 70 lbs. My smaller, younger burms are more active and as they grow I see a decrease in activity with them. The bigger they are the less they move. Plain and simple. That's how it works with burms.

And do not get huffy when people suggest respiratory issues. Burms get them all the time. They are susceptible to them. For a large burm to get a URI is not uncommon or unheard of.

When you come to a place looking for advice and then proceed to attack those that give it, people will talk down to you. Please remember, attacking people here often leads to a one way ticket off the site. Its If you don't like the advice, ignore it and move on. But think twice before attacking the other users.

Cindy
Small Scale Reptile Rescue

First off I have never seen you on this site helping others like Mr. Carmichael. So you do not know what he knows. Ya you got a lot of snakes and probably have learned stuff through trial and error, but in my mind if you asking for advise it is because you are lost. Thats not a bad thing, it happens but when people try to help, don't act like you know it all and that your figured it out when you hear somthing you do not like. I bet money on it that you still have no idea what is wrong.

Yes you friend is probably right that there is a lot of knowledge here and then not so much. But the people who do not have the most knowledge give their experince and that can help. Take the advise for what it is worth and move on.

So with that good day to you sir.
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0.2 Rotts
1.0 Super Tiger
1.0 Amel Retic
0.1 Ball Python
0.1 Red Tail
0.1 Blood Python
1.0 Green Ananconda
1.0 Emerald Tree Boa

ok guys chill out that was my wife . she knows some about snake but not like me i been raising burms since i was 15 and i'm 29 now she just wanted to know what is going on with ur burm. yes i don't know what happen either but this is a first for me never had this happen with my of burms and i had a male that was 14 ft and wieght 150 lb and he had his own room lol
thank you all for your advice and uri i know that he don't have that and i know burms are known 4 having it
thank you guys and ladies
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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

Hey, HONESTLY I'm not trying to be insulting/assuming anything or ANYTHING like that. I just want to know ( for a reason that has NOTHING to do with yours snakes issue ) what size cage your keeping the animal in? I have a 15 foot female and I was wondering what others keep their big burms in.

He is actually kept in a homemade cage that is about 7ft long by 4 ft tal by 2ft wide...it is quite big...we can take pics of it if you want us too...is your burm a male or female???
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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

Keeping a 15' burm in a 7' enclosure is, in my opinion, far too small; it's no wonder your burm is aching to get out (not to mention if the temps are off, that too, will only exasberate the situation). A snake of that size should be in something more like 12' x 4'. Sure, many breeders stuff their large burms in 6' cages and I suppose that they do just fine, but, as you mentioned, some burms are wired differently and want to cruise around more. Your burm may be telling you something.

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center

>>He is actually kept in a homemade cage that is about 7ft long by 4 ft tal by 2ft wide...it is quite big...we can take pics of it if you want us too...is your burm a male or female???
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>>Jessica and David Spendolini
>>JND SERPENTINES
>>
>>OUR BABYS:
>>1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
>>0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
>>0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
>>0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
>>1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
>>1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
>>1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
>>1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
>>0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
>>1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
>>0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
>>0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
>>1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
>>2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
>>2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
>>1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
>>1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
>>0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

He has plenty of room in his cage...his temps are JUST FINE...if I recall I didnt post any temps of his...so I already found out what could be causing his problems...and ONCE AGAIN it has nothing to do with his cage...
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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

NO, HIS CAGE IS NOT FINE. You are cramming a 15 python into a cage that is barely half his length. How does that equate to "plenty of room"? You haven't provided any information about how this animal is kept and you are getting defensive over this?

You need to step back and look at your original post. YOU WERE ASKING FOR HELP and for OPINIONS. You got them but it wasn't what you were expecting or what you wanted to hear. What were you expecting? There are folks on here who've been keeping burms for many, many years who are trying to give you good, solid advice but it's falling on deaf ears. No one said that you were really doing anything wrong; just questioning some of the information you provided. Realize this, it's okay for people to not agree with how you keep your burm. Don't get your panties all bunched up just because someone may not agree with you. It's really okay. Although I take great pride in how I operate my facility, I have had colleagues provide feedback on how I can make improvements and guess what, I LISTENED to them with an open mind. I made improvements and will continue to do so and for that, I am thankful to those who gave me some good, solid advice.

If you can't take a little constructive criticism, don't ask for help on these types of open forums.

>>He has plenty of room in his cage...his temps are JUST FINE...if I recall I didnt post any temps of his...so I already found out what could be causing his problems...and ONCE AGAIN it has nothing to do with his cage...
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>>Jessica and David Spendolini
>>JND SERPENTINES
>>
>>OUR BABYS:
>>1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
>>0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
>>0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
>>0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
>>1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
>>1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
>>1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
>>1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
>>0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
>>1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
>>0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
>>0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
>>1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
>>2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
>>2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
>>1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
>>1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
>>0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

how r u mr. carmichael,
this is david the husband of the hard headed wife. well he is in a 7' l and 31/2 ft h and 21/2 ft w cage and i think he is fine but there is some thing wrong with him his temp on the hot side is running between 90 to 92 and on the cool side it mostly runs 83 . the hum. is about 65% . he is housed around female boas that i have been breeding even tho they are different spieces will that set him off to want to breed and get out .
thank you
david
pic of my baby

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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

I believe you just stated the problem. I see two issues here. The first is that I agree that the cage is too small for this size of python, but the other issue is that if the substrate temp gradient in this small of cage is as you stated, this would place the majority of the floor temps of this cage in the high 80's and low 90's. Not only is this too high, but the corresponding humidity at that temp is going to be too low as well. What type of devices are you using to measure the temps and humidity, and where are they located within the cage?

Kelly

electronc device that is made to measure temp and hum. could the weather be the problem becouse he been in the tank since last spring and had no problem intil now the tank been set up the same way all year with no problems . he just started to push on his cage top . i realized some thing he started to push on the cage top when we got our dog mason and the only animals in the house was snakes before we got the pitbull could that stress him out too.
david
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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

Not sure about the dog or the weather. I would try to compare temps with another thermometer as a check on your current device, as it could have drifted.

Kelly

She's my baby girl. She's in a 7 by 3 by 3.

awww yeah ours is a male...that is not bad is she albino or normal???
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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

She's a norm 100% het for albino or something like that. I'd have to peek at her papers. She's strictly a pet however, my friend gave her to me on the condition that she was never bred.

oh wow...we do have one of our babys as a pet...not sure if we will ever breed her...she is the dumerials boa...i love her to death...but she has had a rough life...

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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

My girl did as well, the guy who owned her before my friend was a terrible guy. Kept her in rubbermaid container that was maybe MAYBE 3x3 and she was about 9 feet. She's a miracle, no RI, no nothing how I don't know.

wow that is sad...i am sorry to hear that...do you have a pic of her???

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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

I totally agree with the feedback this post has recieved, but am I the only one that thinks this snake looks grossly underfed for a snake that is 15 feet long, 100pounds and has only been off feed for one week?

THAT PICTURE WAS A LONG TIME AGO...THANK YOU...
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Jessica and David Spendolini
JND SERPENTINES

OUR BABYS:
1.0 Tiger Retic (ONYX)
0.1 Lavender Albino Tiger Retic (CITRINE)
0.1 Het Albino Tiger Retic (RUBY)
0.1 Normal Retic (EMERALD)
1.0 Albino Burmese Python (JUNIOR)
1.0 Western Hogg Nose (CARMELLO)
1.1 Amazon Tree Boa (TOPAZ AND GARNET)
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa (TITO)
0.1 Dumerial Boa (MARIA)
1.3 Columbian Boas (CRUZ, ZENA, STAR AND PRINCESS)
0.2 Pastel Columbian Boas (ROSE RED AND CARRIE)
0.1 Argentine x Columbian Boa (MARIA)
1.2 Het Albino Columbian Boas (CAPONE, BABY AND DIXIE)
2.0 Central American Boas (SNIPER AND CHANCE)
2.2 Ball Pythons (ZEUS, SYRUS, SERINE AND AALIYAH)
1.0 Pit Bull (MASON)
1.0 Green Iguana (REX)
0.1 Leopard Gecko (DIAMOND)

The original poster asked for advice, someone I consider extremely knowledgeable about these animals responded and was responded to with open hostility, then the rest escalated from there. I can understand wanting or needing advice but to openly turn so defensive when asking for advice is just plain wrong and turns the whole thread into an argument all of the sudden. Can we please just agree to disagree here and move on? No amount of posting will change the opinions of anyone in this forum, both sides believe they're right, both sides believe the other is wrong, please table the discussion until a further time or move on to another topic already. This is getting out of hand.