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Could someone give me a little help?

goini04 Feb 12, 2007 11:56 AM

Hello all,

I recently rescued two Great basin Gopher snakes, a male and female. The male was said to have damage to his hemipenes and the female was a sporatic eater. Initially I could see that the hemipenese were damaged, but not to the extent shown in the photos. Upon bringing the two home I placed them both in the same enclosure until I had another enclosure ready so I can place the female separately. During this time, one of the snakes had bled inside the cage. I had assumed that it was the male. I immediately opened up an emergency space to place the female so that I could keep an eye on her and the male separately. The male had no obvious signs that he had bled, and nor did the female. I felt that I needed to keep an eye on both of them until I found out which one it was.

Today, I opened up the male's enclosure to do his routine checkup and found what you see in the photo. This was not there two days ago which is what definitely confuses me. As a result, the only thing that I can think is that it is a possible abscess.My herp vet that I have had for awhile closed up due to reasons unknown to me and therefore I don't have a reliable herp vet near me. I would like to get an idea about what could possibly be causing this. I have been calling veterinarians but most of them claim to have very little knowledge of reptile treatment. Additionally, I don't trust most typical veterinarians with reptiles. However, if someone knows of a good knowledgeable reptile vet near columbus, Ohio please let me know. At this moment, I have him soaking in some warm water/betadine solution. After that, I plan to rub some triple antibiotic ointment (neosporin..original, not plus) on the affected area. The cage has been completely and thoroughly cleaned and fresh newspaper has been placed in the enclosure instead of the aspen bedding that was initially in it's cage.

Can someone be of help?

Thanks,

Chris

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TimCole Feb 12, 2007 12:38 PM

If you can soak him in Nolvasan, that would be better. Also Polysporin is preferable to Neosporin for a topical antibiotic.
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goini04 Feb 12, 2007 12:51 PM

Thanks Tim,

I have some Chlorhexadine solution, which is pretty much the same stuff. I will try that. I will have to go out and get some Polysporin, thanks for that information. Do you happen to know what could be causing this? I posted this same comment in the gopher snake forum, and a couple people said that the infection is probably already too far advanced and he most likely wont make it. Would you agree?

Thanks a ton,

Chris

>>If you can soak him in Nolvasan, that would be better. Also Polysporin is preferable to Neosporin for a topical antibiotic.
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>>Tim Cole
>>www.Designeratrox.com/
>>www.AustinReptileService.net
>>www.AustinReptileExpo.com/
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>>Conservation through Education
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My Website
www.herpfanatic.com

TimCole Feb 12, 2007 01:11 PM

I wouldn't agree with that. Snakes are pretty tough. It would be nice if you could get some injectible antibiotics to head off any possible systemic infection. Baytril used to be the drug of choice but I understand there is a better one available. (It's been a long time since I've needed to use one).

Of course thereis always the option of freezing it and feeding it off to a snake eater!
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Tim Cole
www.Designeratrox.com/
www.AustinReptileService.net
www.AustinReptileExpo.com/
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Conservation through Education

goini04 Feb 12, 2007 02:04 PM

haha! I only do that AFTER they are deceased. Thanks for the info Tim, much appreciated.

Chris

>>I wouldn't agree with that. Snakes are pretty tough. It would be nice if you could get some injectible antibiotics to head off any possible systemic infection. Baytril used to be the drug of choice but I understand there is a better one available. (It's been a long time since I've needed to use one).
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>>Of course thereis always the option of freezing it and feeding it off to a snake eater!
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>>Tim Cole
>>www.Designeratrox.com/
>>www.AustinReptileService.net
>>www.AustinReptileExpo.com/
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<
>>Conservation through Education
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My Website
www.herpfanatic.com

joeysgreen Feb 14, 2007 04:05 AM

any luck searching for a herp vet, have you tried the arav site? I wouldn't write this guy off yet, but it's going to get poorer without the proper help. As already suggested, systemic antibiotics would be a wise decision. This might also become a surgical case, as it sort of looks like there is prolapsed tissue. This would explain the sudden onset. Either way, there is dead/dying tissue there that needs to be properly debrided.

I did the search for you... here's the ARAV members in practice for Ohio. I'm not sure if this means a drive for you, but well, that's owning herps eh

Dr Daniel Meakin
All Creatures Animal Hospital
1894 Ohio Pike
Amelia, OH 45102-2043

Dr Frank Krupka
Avon Lake Animal Clinic
124 Miller Road
Avon Lake, OH 44012

Dr Jeffrey A. Werwa
Cincinnati Animal Medical Ctr
7617 Reading Rd
Cincinnati, OH 45237

Christopher Bonar
Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
3900 Wildlife Way
Cleveland, OH 44109

Dr Donald L. Burton
Animal Care Unlimited
2665 Billingsley Rd
Columbus, OH 43235-1904

Dr John R. Shuler
Horizon Animal Hosp
933 Bucyrus Rd
Galion, OH 44833

Dr Lori A. Koenig
Lakewood Animal Hospital
14572 Madison Ave
Lakewood, OH 44107

Dr Gary Riggs, DVM
Barberton Vet Clinic
4873 Richland Ave
Norton, OH 44203-6291

Gwen E. Myers, DVM
Columbus Zoo & Aquarium
9990 Riverside Dr
Box 400
Powell, OH 43065-0400

Tim Reichard
Dr Tim's Wildlife and Exotics Care
2156 Sherwood Ave
Toledo, OH 43614

Dr Wynona Shellabarger
Toledo Zoo
PO Box 140130
Toledo, OH 43614-0801

Dr Michael P. Myers
Hartman Vet Hospital Inc
3924 Airport Hwy
Toledo, OH 43615-7108

Dr Linda S. Randall
Cloverleaf Animal Hosp
PO Box 712
Westfield Center, OH 44251-0712

Rosalie A. Lane
Avian & Exotic Animal Clin Path Labs
2712 N Hwy 68
Wilmington, OH 45177

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