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Has anyone ever bred a spider to another spider to produce spiders, and then in turn breed the offspring spider to a super pastel?? I was wondering if maybe the "super" spider to a super pastel would produce all bees. Or maybe a "super" spider to a normal to make all spiders??

As far as i know there is not a super spider i been told that they are dominant not co-dom. I have asked a simular question and been told this answer i do not yet work with spiders.
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B Sleeper

1.0 Chocolate Lab
0.1 ?? Normal Ball python (yet different)
1.0 04 Het Albino
1.1 06 Het Albino
1.1 06 Het Pied
1.0 06 Pastel
0.? 07 Pos Het Albino (Momma has not laid the eggs yet)

No one has yet reported a confirmed homozygous spider so we don't know yet for sure if they are possible.

>Has anyone ever bred a spider to another spider to produce spiders, and then in turn breed the offspring spider to a super pastel??

As far as I know, there have been some spider x spider matings. However, the parent spiders have a spider mutant gene paired with a normal gene, and the expected results are
1/4 normal
2/4 spider (has a spider mutant gene paired with a normal gene)
1/4 "super" spider (has a pair of spider genes)

Here's the question that still has to be answered: What does a "super" spider look like? Nobody has reported anything other than normals and spiders from this sort of mating, as far as I know. Possibly a spider and a "super" spider look alike. If so, only a mating test would distinguish between the two, and nobody has reported doing such a test, as far as I know. Possibly there were no "super" spiders from these matings just because of the (bad) luck of the draw. Or possibly the "super" spiders are dying anywhere from before hatching to before breeding age. Your guess is as good as mine. I've seen some posts about head wobbling in spiders. This might be a symptom of a problem that might be extreme enough to be fatal in "super" spiders. But I'm just brainstorming here.

I was wondering if maybe the "super" spider to a super pastel would produce all bees. Or maybe a "super" spider to a normal to make all spiders??

That's what I'd expect, too. But we'll have to wait until a "super" spider is produced.

Paul Hollander

thanx all for the thoughts. Paul, I too was brainstorming. I thought it possible that a "super" spider would look just like a spider, but it would produce a higher percentage of spiders when bred to another ball python. Maybe someday someone will do a breeding experiment. Hell, maybe someday I will.

>I thought it possible that a "super" spider would look just like a spider, but it would produce a higher percentage of spiders when bred to another ball python.

It's certainly possible. I would expect all the babies from a "super" spider x normal ball python mating to be spiders.

Here is an exact parallel in pigeon breeding: A black pigeon is black because of a gene named Spread. A black pigeon with two spread mutant genes looks like a black pigeon with one spread gene paired with a normal gene. If the black pigeon with two spread mutant genes is mated to a normally-colored pigeon (AKA blue bar), all the babies are black. If the black pigeon with one spread gene is mated to a normally-colored pigeon, approximately half the babies are black and the rest are normal color. Those were the results when I made these matings, and many others have done the same matings and gotten the same results before me.

Paul Hollander