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ive been recently thinking about getting a pair of tangerine honduran milksnakes off of a friend.im more of a ratsnake kingsnake guy so im not good with milk morphs .
how comon are these on the east coast US reigon in the herp trade?
what other kinda morphs are out there besdies albinos for the hondurans ?
any help would be greatly appreciated
thanx
ryan

Well, I'm by no means a Honduran expert but I think I can answer your question. Tangerines are one of the commonest morphs out there. There are also tricolors. Most hondo's you find for sale will be either a Tangerine, or a Hypo tangerine or hypo tricolor. On the east coast, In North eastern ohio I've never seen a honduran milksnake in a pet store ever but I have at shows. Hondurans are one of the most popular milksnake subspecies. Of all the morphs there are albinos, hybinos, hypos, tangerine, anerystic, ghosts, snows, add the word extreme or vanishing to any of the afformentioned morphs. Then to extreme you can add bicolor or tricolor. So in a small undescriptive nutshell those are the morphs. Other than that hondos are very attractive and rewarding as either pets or as a breeding venture.
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-J.Hill

take a look at my website and you can see some pics of some of the morphs. Not trying to sell you anything, just trying to lead you to some pics...
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Paul Weaver
Carolina Herps

Not trying to sell anything, lol everytime I go to your site I'm tempted to buy something. But I guess thats not your fault, lol just kidding of course.
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-J.Hill

Yeah, Paul definately has some nice stuff. I have another shipment coming from him next week! Can't wait to see what he produces this year.

I don’t know where you are on the East Coast. From what I’ve seen at shows in the NY, NJ and PA area, most Hondurans offered are pretty much “average”. For every one breeder offering animals of the same quality of the top breeders here you can find 10 offering average snakes. A lot have considerable black tipping. If you’re a Rat Snake guy you know how a Black Ratsnake darkens with age. This happens with some Milk Snakes to a lesser extent as well. This is not to say that these snakes don’t have any appeal. Less then 10 years ago snakes with a fair amount of tipping would have been considered very attractive and were being bred and sold in good numbers.

You may very well get a better deal at a local show, but from what I’ve seen you wont get a snake as visually appealing. Health wise I don’t think there’d be a difference. If your planning to breed them I would spend the extra and get something that stands out. The last few years there have been some beautiful snakes produced and they will soon be laying eggs. So I would expect more and more people to be producing top quality animals.

how much would u throw one of these on the table for ? a baby that is

Let me add another point about shows...

I picked up a trio of hatchling kingsnakes at Daytona last year. All three refused to eat from day one. I started trying all of the usual tricks to get them going, and then resorted to giving them mouse tails. All 3 eventually died. So my point is that it's not unusual for dealers to bring their unstarted hatchlings and/or non-feeders to the shows in order to move them, whereas most of the known breeders here on kingsnake sell animals that they'll stand behind as being healthy and feeding. So while you may find something cheaper at a show, you'll often get what you pay for.

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Paul Weaver
Carolina Herps

but, I should also add that you can find some interesting animals at shows too...this is an Edisto Island, SC kingsnake that I found at Daytona. This was part of a trio that were labeled as non-feeders, but they ate right away for me. You almost never see these for sale...

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Paul Weaver
Carolina Herps

well, i know what i can get off kingsnake .com i know theres always chacnes of non feeders ,and ro good feeder at shows , i got to plenty of shows i help run a show and help w tables , i just simply dont have time to run around and see whta stuffs ben goin for nowdays , im not all up to date.
im just simply asking prices for hatchling , give or atake a little bit .online prices and show prices, just a genral idea of what these bad boys are going for , thats all.
anyone bred these guys ? if so , how much do you pop em up on y our table for , if u cut a deal w someone how much do u sell em for . adults , how much ? give or take a little bit of money and obviously depening on the health of the snake .
i just need a general idea

That's pretty darn cool!!,......that seems like sort of the same situation regarding "Outer Banks King" (sticticeps). It too being an isolated relict form of kingsnake that has been in a very condensed location allegedly from the last "ice-age". Do you know exactly what the deal is with these that you have?.they look very unique!,.....................................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

You are right, they are a variation of Eastern Kings. They have kind of a unique pattern to them. My two females have almost a solid black belly. Kind of cool looking. They were produced by Kevin Enge, who is the only person I've heard of that currently breeds them. There was a little bit of info on them on the Easter Kingsnake resource site, but that website seems to be down. Anyhow, I know that Peter Jolles of ECC also bought a trio but I think he sold them a couple of months ago.
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Paul Weaver
Carolina Herps