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Anyone have any speculations on 2007 market prices for hets / homozygous Lavenders?

I'm trying to calculate out how many more pizzas I will have to deliver to buy some... --Truch

Same as the past few years!
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What is the market right now?

I have never seen neither a Homozygous or a 100% Het female advertised on Kingsnake or on any websites. Which is why I'm wondering on people's thoughts on their availability/ prices next year.

I haven't got a clue what the goin' price is, but if you're deliverin' pizza for snake money, by the time you have enough the price should have come down considerably

I seem to recall somebody quoting a price some time ago in here so you might try back trackin' in the old posts.
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Don't interupt me when I'm talkin' to myself

3,000 for a het male? and 5,000 for het female?

25k last I heard....Being the hottest simple recessive morph out there, you'll be waiting a long time before the prices come down to an affordable price.

Just mt 2 cents,

Joe.

My point exactly. I'm not trying to start anything...well, maybe I am. The key phrase there was come down to "Affordable". What makes a morph 25K? I was told once that starting a pedigree program would basically make this an elitist group. I could be wrong, but $25K is pretty elite. Does this snake eat more than a $35 snake? Does it cook and clean for you? I'm just wondering what is so special about some morphs that I need to sell a child to have one.

I would truly like to know the economics behind the pricing of morphs. Can anyone help out with this?
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That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

Price is dictated by how rare the mutation is and more importantly, supply and demand...

Before you sheeze all over expensive mutations, do you have any idea what the pioneers that bring in these mutations from Africa go through, more then $25k with headaches included!

While were at it, why are Ferraris so expensive, are you sheezing all over those as well!!!

Educate yourself before yapping!

Brian Alston

This answers several post questions. One is why posters last for about 6 months and then bail. I was looking for a legitimate reason why a snake costs $35 in one color/pattern and $25K in another. Now I'm "Yapping" and "Sheezing". No, I'm questioning. Tosh has no problem giving me an answer without taking shots.

And, yes, I have the same response to a Ferrari or Lamborghini. The difference is power and workmanship. A Ferrari will do 220MPH a Ford Festiva will pull 90 before the engine blows. A normal ball and a Lavender Albino eat the same, crap the same, require the same care and time to keep them healthy. You are talking the rough equivalent of a Ferrari body with a Festiva engine. And as I said, I give the same response. It is illegal to drive 250 so that is a total waste. If it gets me from point A to point B and back, I'm good. Ferraris are WAY over priced.

The question was posted to get the info on what the Pioneers go through and again, Why it cost so much. But by your answer and the mass undertaking it is, all WC balls should be $25K.

Why did a simple question have to turn into an argument?
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That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

He is simply telling you that if a big breeder pays 100,000 for a snake that may die before he gets it or before it grows up and breeds that he can charge what he deems his money, time, and effort are worth. As for Lav Albinos they will hold that 25,000 price because of there beauty. There is NO 35.00 ball that is as pleasing to the eye as this.

It really has nothing to do with beauty. There are a lot less lavender albinos and some people are willing to pay $25K for one, so they get theirs first. Why would someone sell one to you for $35 when someone else will pay $25K? If they really are no different then buy a $35 animal and be happy. If you admit they are different and just don't want to pay $25K, then wait for 20 years and pick one up for $200. Pastels were once $25K as well.

Then again what do I know?

In a nutshell your are looking at exclusivity.

There aren't a lot of people producing or overproducing this morph yet so it is mostly an investment in exclusivity - you have a few extra years to work with a gorgeous animal get a great return from it's offspring which you are fairly assured will be in demand.
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Tosha

It is very easy, the price is what someone is willing to pay! There are few laveneder albinos available so the people who have them can ask whatever they want and someone will pay it, when people stop paying that much then they lower the price and it opens up to the next market of buyers!
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Nita Hamilton
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Supply and Demand sort of with some return on investment(ROI) thrown in to confuse everyone.

Normally pricing (on just about anything) is set by what people are will pay for it. If people won't pay $10K for a snake then the price comes down $8K...$5K...$1K...$500...etc.

BUT...with something that is rare (or slow to reproduce) the potential buyer can decide to pay a premium for the exclusivity of controlling the price decline. The better you do it the more you make.

Sure you could buy a $25K snake and sell its offspring for 25K each but it would take forever to find someone else willing to "pay the premium" or you could sell them for $10K and sell more but risk more people having the offspring and lowering the price sooner.

Ideally if you aren't hard up to make a quick buck breeding for a few years to get a "stock" of rare snakes will make more sense as you will be able to produce more faster before the babies you sell are able to produce. In effect when you are ready to sell only sell females as they will take 2-3 years from when you sell them to be able to produce where as any males could produce the same year.

Isn't economics fun

supply and demand....doesnt get simpler than that....I price animals according to what they can produce for me , now and in the future....as well as how much I like it...

Since i spent a LOT of money to get into the lav/albino project, I'm praying big time for the market on them to stay strong. I believe the potential crosses with this morph are going to be incredable, just look at the DREAMCICLE!!!! Got to be " one of " the hottest crosses to date (AWESOME JOB RALPH)
This season i hope & pray to produce some!!!!!!!!!!

Bud Foltz

I'm working towards the Lavender Super Black Pastel myself and then into the pieds!

Can you just imagine a Lavender Super Black Pastel Pied

I know, very long term project...

Brian

would that be a totally lavander or a lavander and white snake?????????????????????????????????????????????????
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"yeah, eagles have feathers hanging off of them too and I don't smoke --- out of them!" PS it was a dream catcher!

Lavender Purple & White!!!

Some beleive the albino Super cinny might be solid Orange or Solid Yellow at the very least

Unicolored snakes without pattern are not for everyone, I fancy them

I would LOVE a solid yellow snake. I am hoping that the albino super cinny will be a blizzard though because it is already pretty much certain that the albino patternless (BHB?) will be solid yellow.
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"yeah, eagles have feathers hanging off of them too and I don't smoke --- out of them!" PS it was a dream catcher!

I hear you Bud, I also spent alot on my adult het Lavender Albino project.

I can't see them going down too soon,There is only a few people working with them, and some people just making 50% hets .

Joe.

I don't think the price of these are going down anytime soon.just look at them..I like the Coral glows too and what are they costing?

Van Can Do...
http://www.vanzwedenreptiles.com/

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That is a stunning example...Thank you soooo much for sharing.

I am a huge fan of the lavender albino-and have two projects going that would be a dream if I hit on them-the lavender clown and the lavender snow (with VPI axanthic). Along the way making these projects I make lots of possible hets--and possible hets are a GREAT way to get into a project for a ton less $. I have hit on many poss het crosses-believe it or not even pairs where BOTH were possibles! If you are on a budget you might consider that route. Or if you can afford it start with a single het male and make your own possibles. There isn't any short cut-and any snake whether het or not you have to raise it anyway! If it turns out to be a het-then that is awesome-if not you still have a nice snake you raised yourself. My biggest hit on a poss het breeding was in 2004-two MALE poss het VPI axanthics x two female 100% het axanthics (normally you would never do this-it would be nuts-you would do it the other way around-but out of 15 eggs I hatched 9 axanthics 2.7!!), which are themselves poss het for albino! I kept them all and next year I will see which ones are het for albino and hopefully make some VPI snows!

So Tracy are you working with another breeder on the snow project? And if so who?
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one with two parts-one I loaned a female lavender to Ralph and he produced some dh's by breeding it to a VPI axanthic-and a lavender by breeding it to his lavender. I took the lavender male and one dh female and Ralph got two female dh's. After raising the lavender male I bred it to an axanthic female and made dh's, and now I'm breeding the dh's to the dh's. Last year I bred a dh male to female het axanthics and a female axanthic to make my first axanthic poss het for lavender, het axanthics poss het for lavender, and poss het axanthics/poss het lavenders.
This year the female dh's are ready to breed to I dream of hitting on the lavender snow or some lavenders poss het for axanthic! The clown lavender project might have a chance at making the lavender clown-though the female dh's are borderline. Both of our female lavenders have been bred to dh lavender clown males and hopefully we will make lavenders poss het for clown! I have bred the dh male to het clown females to hopefully make clowns poss het for lavender. I think that in any projects like these that even making poss het lavenders, poss het clowns, poss het lavender clowns, or the same on the axanthic front doesn't have much of a downside-and it is fun to do it and see what happens!
So I have quite a bit of raising baby ball python poss hets to do.

So who is this Ralph guy?
Next, you are saying no other breeders have any of your animals in a lavender breeding project?
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from each project! The animals produced have all been very good in the breeding dept so I anticipate the results to start popping up in the next few years. The possible het route will increase the dimension of the project I'm sure. So hopefully we can lok forward to both combinations in the future.

That is one AMAZING looking animal, one of the only mutations that gets better looking with age.IMO the best looking mutation out there. I should hopfully produce some this season.

Joe.