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A breeding I have been waiting for...

Warren_Booth Feb 15, 2007 10:50 PM

This is a breeding I have been waiting for. The female Anerythristic Sonoran had been showing no interest in breeding with my albino male over the last few months. So, I put in my male Het T+ from Pete Kahl and this is what happened after a few weeks of being left alone.
The albino male has been showing interest in her but this is the first lock up I have witnessed. So, tonight the albino comes out. Poss double het T+ albino anerythristics on the way soon, I hope.

Warren

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Dr Warren Booth
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology
3309 Gardner Hall
Raleigh, NC 27695-7613

Replies (11)

JohnBerry Feb 16, 2007 11:51 AM

Hey Warren, thats really great ... good luck with this breeding, its a nice project to have going ... CA Boa morphs rule !!

cheers, John
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Warren_Booth Feb 16, 2007 12:39 PM

Hey John,
Thanks. It a project I have wanted to get going for a while. I had tried to pair the Female Sonoran Anerythristic up with a male albino colombian with no luk. He tried a lot but she was not interested. Once introduced to the male het T+ nic she turned and has been mating for the last few days on and off.
Next year she will be bred to my Hypo Sonoran male to produce true ghost Sonorans.

Hopefully this years breeding will enable me to pick up a central america motely and I am done for a while, lol. Well, until the next morph appears.

Warren

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Dr Warren Booth
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology
3309 Gardner Hall
Raleigh, NC 27695-7613

Slithering_Serpents Feb 16, 2007 01:34 PM

What an exciting project! I remember you showing that beautiful Sonoran anery before. I love that girl's look. Wow I hope that albino changes his mind! Of course possible DH T albinos would be fine too.

Good luck,
Caden

>>This is a breeding I have been waiting for. The female Anerythristic Sonoran had been showing no interest in breeding with my albino male over the last few months. So, I put in my male Het T from Pete Kahl and this is what happened after a few weeks of being left alone.
>>The albino male has been showing interest in her but this is the first lock up I have witnessed. So, tonight the albino comes out. Poss double het T albino anerythristics on the way soon, I hope.
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>>Warren
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>>Dr Warren Booth
>>North Carolina State University
>>Department of Entomology
>>3309 Gardner Hall
>>Raleigh, NC 27695-7613
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Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com

Warren_Booth Feb 16, 2007 02:48 PM

Well, the albino has been courting her, but I have not seen any lock ups between them. He may have, but who knows. If the female produces a litter I will be carrying out a paternity test on them to ensure I hold back the right animals as multiple paternity is a common occurrence in the snake world.
If I got both fathers represented in this litter I have hit the jack pot. That way I can hold back a pair of het blizzards and a pair of het anery.poss het T albino. If they produce that is. I will keep everyone updated as the project pregresses.
Warren

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Dr Warren Booth
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology
3309 Gardner Hall
Raleigh, NC 27695-7613

Slithering_Serpents Feb 16, 2007 05:43 PM

Very interesting. I didn't know there were boa paternity tests but of course it makes perfect sense. You'd look for shared DNA information. If you compared the DNA of a baby to each father you'd know who the father was and therefore which were hets for blizzard. I don't suppose there is a het test for T albino hets? Does the boa genome have to be mapped before there can be a het test?

I love that anery! She's such a beauty!

Thanks,
Caden

>>Well, the albino has been courting her, but I have not seen any lock ups between them. He may have, but who knows. If the female produces a litter I will be carrying out a paternity test on them to ensure I hold back the right animals as multiple paternity is a common occurrence in the snake world.
>>If I got both fathers represented in this litter I have hit the jack pot. That way I can hold back a pair of het blizzards and a pair of het anery.poss het T albino. >>
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Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com

strictly4fun Feb 16, 2007 06:03 PM

Warren, your anery sonoran has to be the most beautiful snake on earth seriously Best of luck to you.
Bob

Warren_Booth Feb 17, 2007 12:12 PM

Thanks,
She is certainly one of my favourite boas. Can't wait to see babies from her.

Warren

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Dr Warren Booth
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology
3309 Gardner Hall
Raleigh, NC 27695-7613

Warren_Booth Feb 17, 2007 12:09 PM

Hi,
I can test the paternity of the boas a couple of different ways. For example, ISSR's, multi-locus fingerprinting, AFLP's. However, I am going to use microsatellites. I am currently developing these and they should be ready once the babies arrive.

As far as testing for hets, well, I have been talking to Pete Kahl about this. The problem is, we would need to know the gene responsible for the pattern/colour variation. This we do not know. Even if we had the genome sequenced we would still have a lot of work ahead of us to find out which part of the genome contains the gene for the variation. This, again, we do not know.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology
3309 Gardner Hall
Raleigh, NC 27695-7613

Slithering_Serpents Feb 17, 2007 07:04 PM

Yes indeed I see your point. At least mapping i9t would be a step towards a het test. Perhaps we could figure it out from comparing the DNA of known hets to normals or perhaps make guesses based on other species in which the location of the mutated gene is known?

Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com

>> . . . As far as testing for hets, well, I have been talking to Pete Kahl about this. The problem is, we would need to know the gene responsible for the pattern/colour variation. This we do not know. Even if we had the genome sequenced we would still have a lot of work ahead of us to find out which part of the genome contains the gene for the variation. This, again, we do not know . . . >>

Warren_Booth Feb 17, 2007 07:38 PM

Hi,
If you wanted to compare the genome to other known hets this would cost an fortune. Mapping the genome of a single individual is expensive and time consuming as it is, therefore the likelihood of mapping several with the intention of being able to identify hets is unlikley to happen any time soon.

I am also unaware of any mapped genes responsible for camparable mutations in other reptiles.

Warren

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Dr Warren Booth
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology
3309 Gardner Hall
Raleigh, NC 27695-7613

Slithering_Serpents Feb 18, 2007 03:08 PM

I see well it is very interesting anyway. Too bad it likely won't happen for a while. I was thinking in other species (non-reptile species) they do seem to know which locus is responsible for albinism for example. Unfortunately it isn't likely in the same place in snakes.

Interesting discussion anyway,
Caden Chapman

>>Hi,
>>If you wanted to compare the genome to other known hets this would cost an fortune. Mapping the genome of a single individual is expensive and time consuming as it is, therefore the likelihood of mapping several with the intention of being able to identify hets is unlikley to happen any time soon.
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>>I am also unaware of any mapped genes responsible for camparable mutations in other reptiles.
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>>Warren
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>>Dr Warren Booth
>>North Carolina State University
>>Department of Entomology
>>3309 Gardner Hall
>>Raleigh, NC 27695-7613
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Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com

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