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I ran across this question in another forum and was wondering if anyone else has heard this, has proof or can shed any more light on the subject. Normally I would have dismissed the answer but it was from a moderator who usually has pretty sound advice.

Question:
"I know that if a clark strain albino is bred to an amel, you just get double hets and no actual albinos. But what happens if two double hets are bred together? Would there be some amels and some clark albinos? Or would they all be mixes of the two? And have these been produced yet? Thanks, I'm just curious..."

Answer:
"Actually I found out the following but I figured I'd leak it since ist retarded to keep it "secret"... Clark and Amel/Type 2 albinos *ARE* compatible... yeah, no [bleep]... you get some of both... e.g. if you breed a Clark to an Amel, you'll get 50% clark and 50% Amel... Some will come out more "orangey" than the others... this is where alot of those really orange albinos everyone has been seeing lately come from... just remember... you heard it first here"

http://www.constrictors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12245

thanks
josh

They are not compatible....

actually amel and type (Same gene) are compatible. the double hets bobs talking of is blond/amel or type 2 and blond/clark strain.

actually amel and type (Same gene) are compatible. the double hets bobs talking of is blond/amel or type 2 and blond/clark strain.

No, the type2 and amel are compatible.The Blond and amel/type2 are not compatible w/ the original strain (lavender albino).The double hets Bob is talking about are from an original strain albino (lavender) x amel/type2..Thats whats not compatible.

actually amel and type (Same gene) are compatible. the double hets bobs talking of is blond/amel or type 2 and blond/clark strain.

[TomC] No, the type2 and amel are compatible.The Blond and amel/type2 are not compatible w/ the original strain (lavender albino).The double hets Bob is talking about are from an original strain albino (lavender) x amel/type2..Thats whats not compatible. [TomC]

redundancy is good LOL!
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damn!!!!!!!! im cornfused. i give up.lol just breed the hets together and see what pops out!!

[quote]damn!!!!!!!! im cornfused. i give up.lol just breed the hets together and see what pops out!![quote]

i agree...

kind of funny though, tomc seemed to repeat the exact same thing you said... some people arent happy unless they are arguing with someone.
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Quote[ some people arent happy unless they are arguing with someone.]End quote/

This is just absolutely NOT true!

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No it's not :|
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David Beauchemin
High End Herps.Inc
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The Baldogo Strain(amel) and the more common Clark Strain Albino are compatable. I know someone who did it LAST year but I am not at liberty to divulge their name. They do, in fact, look more orange, almost like a creamsicle. Very cool if I do say so myself.

The Baldogo Strain(amel) and the more common Clark Strain Albino are compatable. I know someone who did it LAST year but I am not at liberty to divulge their name. They do, in fact, look more orange, almost like a creamsicle. Very cool if I do say so myself.

This is the second time some one has leaked "top secret rocket science" w/ out the liberty to announce their name..*shrug*

Bob says he bred the two strains and produced all double hets, i think i would believe that over a secret breeder.What is the point in hiding this info?? There are so many adults from both these strains in peoples collections that it will be out in the open very soon.If you have any pictures can you please post them?? I would love to see them.

Thanks,
Tom C

blond/amel or type 2 and blond/clark strain.

That did come out confusing, lol..sorry.

The point was to compare the amel/type2 to see if they were compatible w/ the original strain, the blond is some what irrelevent. It was a rather scattered reply that didnt hit on how i was reading your reply.It looked to me like you were comparing blond x amel/type2 and blond x original strain, instead of amel/type2 x original.

read this, it makes lots of sense...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albino

if you went by what this link says, then the kahl/boldagao and or sharp strain would be type I (pigment absent), and the clark lavender and caramel would be type II (pigment present).

... just an observation.
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with a little deductive reasoning, and a background in genetics, one could conclude that the two different types of albinism are in fact not compatable (different loci), but you could breed them together and get hets... thing is, how do you know whats het for what?
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would you not get double hets? Then when breed together would get normals, het for 1, het for 2, more doubles, type 1 albino, type 2 albino, and type 1&2 albino combined, in theory anyway, I think from my limited knowledge of Mendelian genetics lol over 25 years ago I learned that stuff. Not sure if the expressed type 1 & 2 combo would look different from either 1 or 2 type, depends on the gene location I think.
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Frank Roberts
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you could get type 1 het for 2 and type 2 het for 1 in the clutch from that double het breeding (lol) thats like 9 different genetic combinations, triple hets are even more mindboggling lol
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with the type 1 being a multistrain (3 color variants) there are even more expressed possiblities, alot more, LOL. Just the type one strain is not completely understood, I thought it was related to tyrosine but who knows.
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Frank Roberts
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I believe that the clark strains (caramel and the original) have a variations in pigment, meaning that they are technically (in the world of genetics) type 2... and the kahl/boldago and sharps srtains are type 1... as true amels express the total absense of pigment...

and as for d/h's... sure your gonna get a mix of both types of albino... but if you purchase some and breed them into your collection there is really no way to tell whats what uless you are breeding d/h's or both forms of albino together...

and who knows... some forms of albino have deliterious traits that can affect an animals health... sometimes defects like weak lungs or blindness are associated with albinism.
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yeah.... that all helped!lol ow ive got a migraine and fingers hurt from lookin in the dictionary. im gonna stick with my "what pops out" theory!

god forbid that you have to crack open a book... we wouldnt want you to learn soemthing new, now would we?
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gavin (hmm tat me up tatoo), or whoever you are...

try and have an open mind... it seems whenever someone shares somehting that is factual in the real world, they are met with resistance here in the hobby... why? whats wrong with the truth... you know there are people out there that dedicate their lives with hard work to discover how things work (like me)... it seems that some knowledge in the reptile world is turned upside down by the all mighty green. why keep misinforming people, why help generate false or biased ideas?

if you could only understand what its like to put in the hard work and time needed for understanding things on a more complex level... its very enlighting to see things in true colors.

you know, there is nothing wrong with learning a few new things... and to put someone down because of "your" insecurities is lame.

sorry.
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Just an outside observation, I read tatmeup’s post and I don’t see where he is putting anyone down. When I read his post, its seems, he is just trying to make light of a very complicated scenario and further the light heartedness and good humor by reverting to his “what pops out” theory? His post made me laugh, which I’m pretty sure was his intention. If anything, it sounds like you are putting him down by implying that he doesn’t understand the value of hard work and that he is incapable of “understanding things on a more complex level”. Then again, maybe I misinterpreted your post.

josh

i already said i agreed with him a few posts up... i know sarcasm when i read it.

you can twist it anyway you want , but i wasnt knocking him for not understanding what its like to put in the hard work and dedication toward a degree... its a rare thing to come across someone who has put in the book time in this hobby. too bad that its not appreciated, more or less its frowned upon.

... oh well, the hobby is what you make it.
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wow.....

i WAS just making a joking statement. brian you REALLY have to relax man. the dictionary comment was directed looking up the big words used, ha ha funny funny. i get yelled at every time i buy a new snake book for INFORMATION. i have done PLENTY of book work, not to the higher gentics level but i do understand most. it was not sarcasm as you usually expect alot. i hate typing as you can tell....i.e. no caps or really paragraphs. ive said it before do not group me in with others agenda. im very light hearted and carefree when it comes to snakes. 75% of what i say is just plain humor mostly with nuthin more behind them than whats said. with that in mind the basic ending to this whole discussion in a nutshell if if you bred an amel to a type 2 you would get hte same damn snake because their genetics are the same. no double hets or ameltype2 combos. it is the same type of animal genetically just different names from the subsequent breeders. that is it. a plain bold statement has been made.

relax?.... i am relaxed devil dog.

i would respond with more but i am too busy researching and writing a 10 page paper on why its important to hunt on wildlife refuges... i am also doing a side project on why regulations are important in the reptile industry.

so there you have it... good luck and have fun.
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Bout time this forum had some life to it!! After reading all the replies, I and I think some of the others that were posting replies were starting to get confuse with the interchangeability of the names of the various albinism gene. If I understand correctly, and please feel free to correct me if im wrong, there are 3 different types of albinism. First the complete lack of black pigmentation: Amel/Kahl/Type 2 strain. Second, various amounts of black pigmentation producing white, lavender and purple: Clark strain. And the third strain I have heard called T+, Carmel and Lavender. From my understanding the 3 types of albinisms are incompatible with each other. I and I assume the rest of you, really wish the person claiming that the Clark strain and the Amel/Kahl/Type 2 are compatible with each other would provide some proof or documentation. True or not, any reasonable discussion on the topic is always good for everyone.

Josh

And yoda, quit hi-jacking my post! Just messing with you!

now with all this said if you throw in a plaid phased jungle you should end up with a pink and purple speckled with neon green ,Right?