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Is the Spider, the Ghost, or the Albino the most crossed morph? Is it something else? I think for a pattern morph, the Spider has to be the most widely crossed, and rightfully so. I do however, see the Pin as eventually challenging the Spider for most crossed Pattern morph.

Dave

...the most crossed morph.

I have a collection of Pastel cross photos that I'm not even going to try and list. Take me a half hour to do so....lol

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

Yeah, you are probably right, as far as a color morph, the Pastel is probably the most crossed. What about pattern morphs, I say the Spider, with the Pin gaining on it. I think the Ghost is probably a nice second as far as the color morph crosses. Where are all the Hypo Pieds?

Dave

>>Yeah, you are probably right, as far as a color morph, the Pastel is probably the most crossed. What about pattern morphs, I say the Spider, with the Pin gaining on it. I think the Ghost is probably a nice second as far as the color morph crosses. Where are all the Hypo Pieds?
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>>Dave

So, you think the Pastel is the most crossed mutation?????

Off the top of my mind I would say NOT!

The Pastel is certainly one of the most used combo mutations.

I think the spider may still be the top combo mutation. I think...it would actually take me a bit of time to count all the combos.

I think the spider will be the top for some time to come..... I don't think the pin will catch up because we keep making more Spider combos so the spider just has a bit more time invested.

The pin does make some awesome stuff w/o a doubt.

This year should be RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!

SATAN
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The following lists are ONLY based upon photos I have in my photo collection....here goes...*deep dreath*

SPIDER:

Albino X Spider
Pastel X NERD Axanthic X Spider
Butter X Spider
Cinnamon X Spider
Pastel X CoralGlow/WhiteSmoke X Spider
Faded Albino X Spider(this counts as diff than normal Albino X Spider??)
Fire X Spider
Ghost X Pastel X Spider
Ghost X Spider
Lemon Pastel X Spider
Lemon Spider (some cross BHB made awhile back)
Pastel X Lesser X Spider
Lesser X Spider
Mojave X Spider
Pastel X Cinnamon X Spider
Pastel X Spider
Pastel X Pinstripe X Spider
Piebald X Spider
Genetic Stripe X Spider
Pinstripe X Spider
Woma X Spider
Enchi Pastel X Spider
Woma X lesser X Spider
Pastel X Woma X Spider
Pastel X YellowBelly X Spider
YellowBelly X Spider

And not to forget....

Super Pastel X NERD Axanthic X Spider
Super Pastel X Spider

That's 28 Spider-included designer morphs. And I don't doubt there are a few I haven't seen photos of, or that you, KEVIN, will not admit to being Spider crosses.
Sooo, let's estimate 28-35 Spider-included designer morphs...
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And now, Pastel....*deeeeeep breath*

Pastel X Amir line 'Cinnamon' (ie: Amber Ball)
Pastel X NERD Axanthic X Spider
Pastel X Banana
Pastel Blonde X Lesser
Pastel X BHB Chocolate X Pinstripe
Pastel Citrus (Amir) X Calico
Pastel X CoralGlow/WhiteSmoke X Spider
Pastel X CoralGlow/WhiteSmoke
Pastel X Desert Ghost (Stan Chiras)
Pastel X Espresso
Pastel X Ghost X Spider
Pastel Lemon X Lesser
Pastel Lemon X Woma
Pastel Lemon X Woma X Lesser
Pastel X Lesser X Spider
Pastel X Marble (Amir)
Pastel X Albino
Pastel X Apricot (Jared)
Pastel X NERD Axanthic
Pastel X Axanthic (what line of Ax did BHB use??)
Pastel X Genetic BlackBack
Pastel X Butter
Pastel X Calico SnakeKeeper
Pastel X Calico (BallRoom Pythons)
Pastel X Calico NERD
Pastel X Caramel Albino
Pastel X Cinnamon X Spider
Pastel X Clown
Pastel X Congo (Vin Russo as well as VPI)
Pastel X Fire
Pastel X Genetic Granite
Pastel X Harlequin
Pastel X Het Red Axanthic
Pastel X Ivory (ie: Ivory Pastel..Mark and Kim Bell...)
Pastel X Lavender Albino
Pastel X Lesser
Pastel X Mojave
Pastel X Piebald
Pastel X Pinstripe
Pastel X Russo Lemon (Het Blue-eyed Leucy)
Pastel X Spider
Pastel X Spider X Pinstripe
Pastel X Spotnose
Pastel X Genetic Stripe
Pastel X Thunder
Pastel X Vanilla
Pastel X Woma
Pastel X YellowBelly
Pastel X Cinnamon (VARIOUS lines of Cinny)
Pastel X Black Pastel (VARIOUS lines of Blk Pastel)
Pastel X Phantom
Pastel Enchi X Spider
Pastel X Woma X Spider
Pastel X YellowBelly X Spider
Pastel X ???? (YellowJackets produced by Ian G I think)
Pastel Zebra (Some cross from Steve Roussis)
Pastel X Ghost (Orange, Yellow and so on)
Pastel X Crystal
Pastel X 'Odd Female or Male' (A bunch of examples of these type of pairings)

And let's not forget....

Super Pastel X NERD Axanthic X Spider
Super Pastel X Black Pastel (Silver Streak)
Super Pastel X Cinnamon (Sterling Pastel)
Super Pastel X Pinstripe
Super Pastel X Spider
Super Pastel X YellowBelly
Super Pastel X Orange Ghost

The tally for Pastel-included designer morphs is over 60, and possibly as many as 75. You, KEVIN, have some 'secret' new crosses that LOOK (Inferno for one) to have Pastel mixed in somewheres.

Sorry, Kevin, but I think Pastel is further crossed than Spider. Keeping in mind, there are various (Blonde, Lemon, Citrus, etc) lines of Pastel but ONLY ONE line of Spider.

BB

PS: My apologies for any errors in the lists, or simple spelling errors. This post took like 30 minutes to make, and I've suddenly lost my enthusiasm and desire to spellcheck. hahahahaha

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

I think that you could say that you have proven you point and at the same time made another one that the creation of coloration in these great ball pythons are probably unlimited good work.

I think you got me......

Yep....even with a few of my secrets you are right...

Pretty shocking...now that I think about it!!!!

Do not confuse Enchi Pastel with Pastel!!!!!

NOT THE SAME!!

SANTA

>>The following lists are ONLY based upon photos I have in my photo collection....here goes...*deep dreath*
>>
>>SPIDER:
>>
>>Albino X Spider
>>Pastel X NERD Axanthic X Spider
>>Butter X Spider
>>Cinnamon X Spider
>>Pastel X CoralGlow/WhiteSmoke X Spider
>>Faded Albino X Spider(this counts as diff than normal Albino X Spider??)
>>Fire X Spider
>>Ghost X Pastel X Spider
>>Ghost X Spider
>>Lemon Pastel X Spider
>>Lemon Spider (some cross BHB made awhile back)
>>Pastel X Lesser X Spider
>>Lesser X Spider
>>Mojave X Spider
>>Pastel X Cinnamon X Spider
>>Pastel X Spider
>>Pastel X Pinstripe X Spider
>>Piebald X Spider
>>Genetic Stripe X Spider
>>Pinstripe X Spider
>>Woma X Spider
>>Enchi Pastel X Spider
>>Woma X lesser X Spider
>>Pastel X Woma X Spider
>>Pastel X YellowBelly X Spider
>>YellowBelly X Spider
>>
>>And not to forget....
>>
>>Super Pastel X NERD Axanthic X Spider
>>Super Pastel X Spider
>>
>>That's 28 Spider-included designer morphs. And I don't doubt there are a few I haven't seen photos of, or that you, KEVIN, will not admit to being Spider crosses.
>>Sooo, let's estimate 28-35 Spider-included designer morphs...
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>And now, Pastel....*deeeeeep breath*
>>
>>Pastel X Amir line 'Cinnamon' (ie: Amber Ball)
>>Pastel X NERD Axanthic X Spider
>>Pastel X Banana
>>Pastel Blonde X Lesser
>>Pastel X BHB Chocolate X Pinstripe
>>Pastel Citrus (Amir) X Calico
>>Pastel X CoralGlow/WhiteSmoke X Spider
>>Pastel X CoralGlow/WhiteSmoke
>>Pastel X Desert Ghost (Stan Chiras)
>>Pastel X Espresso
>>Pastel X Ghost X Spider
>>Pastel Lemon X Lesser
>>Pastel Lemon X Woma
>>Pastel Lemon X Woma X Lesser
>>Pastel X Lesser X Spider
>>Pastel X Marble (Amir)
>>Pastel X Albino
>>Pastel X Apricot (Jared)
>>Pastel X NERD Axanthic
>>Pastel X Axanthic (what line of Ax did BHB use??)
>>Pastel X Genetic BlackBack
>>Pastel X Butter
>>Pastel X Calico SnakeKeeper
>>Pastel X Calico (BallRoom Pythons)
>>Pastel X Calico NERD
>>Pastel X Caramel Albino
>>Pastel X Cinnamon X Spider
>>Pastel X Clown
>>Pastel X Congo (Vin Russo as well as VPI)
>>Pastel X Fire
>>Pastel X Genetic Granite
>>Pastel X Harlequin
>>Pastel X Het Red Axanthic
>>Pastel X Ivory (ie: Ivory Pastel..Mark and Kim Bell...)
>>Pastel X Lavender Albino
>>Pastel X Lesser
>>Pastel X Mojave
>>Pastel X Piebald
>>Pastel X Pinstripe
>>Pastel X Russo Lemon (Het Blue-eyed Leucy)
>>Pastel X Spider
>>Pastel X Spider X Pinstripe
>>Pastel X Spotnose
>>Pastel X Genetic Stripe
>>Pastel X Thunder
>>Pastel X Vanilla
>>Pastel X Woma
>>Pastel X YellowBelly
>>Pastel X Cinnamon (VARIOUS lines of Cinny)
>>Pastel X Black Pastel (VARIOUS lines of Blk Pastel)
>>Pastel X Phantom
>>Pastel Enchi X Spider
>>Pastel X Woma X Spider
>>Pastel X YellowBelly X Spider
>>Pastel X ???? (YellowJackets produced by Ian G I think)
>>Pastel Zebra (Some cross from Steve Roussis)
>>Pastel X Ghost (Orange, Yellow and so on)
>>Pastel X Crystal
>>Pastel X 'Odd Female or Male' (A bunch of examples of these type of pairings)
>>
>>And let's not forget....
>>
>>Super Pastel X NERD Axanthic X Spider
>>Super Pastel X Black Pastel (Silver Streak)
>>Super Pastel X Cinnamon (Sterling Pastel)
>>Super Pastel X Pinstripe
>>Super Pastel X Spider
>>Super Pastel X YellowBelly
>>Super Pastel X Orange Ghost
>>
>>The tally for Pastel-included designer morphs is over 60, and possibly as many as 75. You, KEVIN, have some 'secret' new crosses that LOOK (Inferno for one) to have Pastel mixed in somewheres.
>>
>>Sorry, Kevin, but I think Pastel is further crossed than Spider. Keeping in mind, there are various (Blonde, Lemon, Citrus, etc) lines of Pastel but ONLY ONE line of Spider.
>>
>>BB
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>>PS: My apologies for any errors in the lists, or simple spelling errors. This post took like 30 minutes to make, and I've suddenly lost my enthusiasm and desire to spellcheck. hahahahaha
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>>"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me
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"Satan™" is a registered trademark of NERD, Inc. Any copyright infringement is punishable by ETERNAL DAMNATION and some other terrible stuff.

I agree the Enchi 'Pastel' is unlike the other Pastel lines...

But, hey, I'm not the one who named it. lol

The Enchi 'Pastel' is no more like the VPI/Bell/BHB/NERD*/etc Pastels than, say, a Cinnamon or Black Pastel. Only in name are they 'alike'...

*NERD line pastel, NOT NERD Lemon Pastel.

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me