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My carmel female had her babies early....to many infertile eggs in the mix. I had her with a Kahl albino for a couple of months,and they seemed to be breeding very frequently. Then 4 months and 2 days ago I put 2 sharp albino males with her. They immediately began breeding. Then this morning,,,, this. Any comments as to whose the daddy????and what they are ??? It was not Howard K. Stern !

then 4 months ago

I feel bad and sad for you! I had premies twice this year and it sucks ! god bless you .....steve

I am sad to see that, i have had a few litters like that myself this season and i know how bad it feels, I wish you luck on the rest of your breedings.

Do you think it was the sharps that sired it, i cant tell from the pic?

By the looks of the litter there seems to be some paradigm action going on. Now that still doesn't answer the question but it does make it point more towards the Sharp cause we already know that combo makes paradigms. So...from there I looked for pattern and I noticed a lot of the babies had blockey saddles with peaks which the earlier Sharp stock were known for having and still today Sharps have it but it seems to tone down when you get Sharps from sunglow litters or hypo breedings. They'll still have some degree of peaking just not as much. All of my Sharp stock have some level of peaking but more in my earlier pre sunglow stock.

With that said and the way the patterns on the babies are i'd have to say that it was mostlikely one of the Sharp males that got her. I know people are probably going to say that I have a Sharp strain bias and blah blah but I have a good sized group of Sharp sitting here and i've definitely done the math when it comes to these guys and the certain traits they carry and what they're known for. So...with that said i'd like to hear other peoples opinion on that but if your going to jump on my way of thinking I hope the people that do, have Sharps in their collection to go off of and aren't just going off what they see here and the classifieds. I don't mind everyones opinion I just don't like it when someone gets on here and starts a debate and they have nothing to go on but hear say.

Sorry about your loss Sharon, maybe this might atleast shed a little light on who the father is. What year were you Sharp boys born?

Ruben Michel

First off Sharon, let me send my condolences.

I read your post earlier this morning and was thinking the same thing - that one of the Sharps was the daddy for the same reasons that Ruben gave. I have yet to see Kahl offspring with the blocky saddles and peaking.

Just my opinion... please don't shoot me

Amie

Like I said earlier it looks like theres some paradigms in there but it also looks like normals. If I recall when Mike did the carmel to Sharp he got all paradigms. With this litter and the dad issue and the normal looking one's in the litter what if both Kahl and Sharp got her since there were normals and that would kinda suggest tht the Kahls aren't compatable? Thats if those are infact paradigms in the litter which it looks like but they were a little premie. So...whats your guys and girls opinion on that? I'd say it makes sense..that is if they both got her.

The sharps are mature males. But I too think maybe they both got her. The babies all had dark eyes....no red eyes...so is there something to be known from that? Would red eyes only show up if the were alive? Thanks for all the opinions, and as you all might realize, I moved her to sharp males when the paradiym info came out. I was wondering about them being paradiym because of the black in their tails ???? Sharon

I cant tell from the picture if the pigment on 2 or 3 of them is faded like premies, or if they might be hypo looking, or maybe paradigm looking.....hmmm...I cant tell very well from the pic, but I would guess that they were not paradigms, I think they would be much easier to tell apart from normals.

From what I understand, pigment is one of the last things to come in on baby boas and if these are premies then maybe they didn't get all their color yet. So are they just low pigmented...or future paradigms?

Amie

As Ruben said, Sharp X Carmel produced all Paradigms. Some of the babies appear to be Paradigms, others normal.

So that would show that Kahl X Carmel does not produce Paradigm.

Also I do believe after the Paradigms were revealed Tracy Barker brought up if anyone had tried Kahls, and someone mentione a Het Kahl X Carmel litter.

as this occurs in normal litters all the time to many of us from the beginner to the most experienced. Trying to hypothesize why it happened may only make you feel worse (if that's possible). Using different males has been done many times successfully and you would only beat yourself up thinking about which of the males could have been the responsible party/s.

Sharon, I know you know how to breed boas and you have layed the ground work for one of the most exciting new morphs available today. And, you have what you need to make your own. Next year will be your year for the Paradigm!

I truly feel your pain as something similar happened to us last year. So I offer my condolences and wish you the best on the rest of your litters this season.

AJ
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