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a while ago i was researching color variations in corn snakes...and found a picture of a piebald cornsnake... does anyone own a pied corn?

does anyone know of a breeder that breeds pied corns?

they are very interesting looking

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0.1.0 Hogg Island Boa
0.0.1 Red Albino Cornsnake
1.0.0 Normal Leopard Gecko
0.1.0 Argentine Black & White Tegu
1.0.0 Leopard Toad
1.2.0 Dogs
1.2.0 Cats
2.0.0 Rats
1.0.0 Rabbit
1.0.0 Gerbil

The only pied corns I am familliar with are the pied side bloodreds.

Don over at south mountain reptiles is breeding some though they are not listed on his web site and last I heard they were going for about $2000.

I think some other breeders are also working with them but that's the only source I remember off the top of my head.

A few years ago Kathy Love had an "Amel" cornsnake that was all white with a ton of "red splattering" all over it!,it was in "Reptiles" Magazine. they were wondering what to call it and I remember one of the names they were considering was "Freckled albino" among others..Also, I have a good friend that has a "bloodred" corn that has large voids(patches) without red, showing the underlying blotches that are very apparent!.....it is pretty unique looking to say the least....I'll ask him if he wouldn't mind if I posted it when I talk to him............Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

here is the snake doug is talking about.it is owned by a mutual friend of ours , he gave permission to post the pics but im not sure he wants his info all over the net for just this snake. the snake is pretty ...well screwed up, the genetics are not understood but breeding plans are underway. from what i remember the snake is a ghost bloodred but the genes didnt seem to mesh but rather get painted on in batches.
here is the pics all comments are welcome.
adam

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hybrid breeders association
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.0 jurassic milk
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery

I have a few pics of it not in the blue....in any case, yeah, He has some pretty odd stuff...I didn't think he would have a problem with posting them....glad he gave the OK!..later, Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

I could be frank but I'll just say the guy who produced it has the initials 'F.P' and leave it at that.

If I recall correctly the snakes that produced it were a male hypo het blood/anery and a female blood het anery.

So IS the 'odd bloodred' proven to be HOMO for hypo and anery? I have a photo of her with eggs from the 2004 season. I wish I knew what hatched from those eggs.

From the first time I saw that snake I always figured the mother, unbeknownst to F.P, was het hypo and the odd bloodred was some sort of Paradox Ghost Bloodred.

Any new info you could share with us?? Unfortunately time restraints keeps me from following all of the online Gutatta forums, and I believe 'F.P.' doesn't post in the various forums as much as he used to (2002 and previous years...).

Thanks for ANY new info you might have to share.

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

I didn't talk to him about any of it's specific genetic background yet, so I really couldn't tell you. All I know about it is that he recently acquired it...I'm sure I'll know more later on.........best regards,.............................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

So she was been sold to another breeder.

I'm surprised the breeder, Frank Pinello, who produced her, sold her. She's definitely a 'trophy' specimen. Congrats to your friend on aquiring a one-of-a-kind animal.

I'm a bit unsure what exact pairing produced her. In another forum Frank posted, when she hatched, that the pairing was a hypo het blood/anery male and a female blood het anery, BUT, in Kathy Love's latest book she states that she came from a pair of bloodreds. Hmm...

Although it would seem the odds are against it, I would LOVE to see her appearance proven genetic. A new 'gene' like that opens up a whole slew of possible new morph crosses.

Thanks again for posting the updated photos.

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

That seems very logical,...since the underlying color looks to be anerythristic......................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Unfortunately died. I bought her from Frank, and she laid a massive clutch of 27 eggs. I had bred her to a ghost male. She produced normals and anerys. Last year, I bred the F1's and produced normals, bloods, amels, amel bloods....but no anerys, no hypos...no ghosts. It was a small clutch so maybe that is the answer. For fun, I kept a handful of f2 babies. In a couple years I'll see what I get from them.

It is an interesting animal. I wish the mother would have survived so I could have done more test breeding with her.

Creatures of the Night

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Michelle
Creatures of the Night
Private breeder/fanatic of many morphs of cornsnakes and select Florida Kingsnakes

I'm a bit surprised as well that you didn't get any ghosts or hypos when she was bred to a Ghost. I guess the mystery behind the Paradox Blood deepens.

Interesting, and striking, corn in your post. Snow Bloodred or Blizzard Bloodred by any chance??

BB

PS: You have an incredible collection of corns. Soooo much eye candy on your webpage. WOW....
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

...on Kingsnake and see the snake you posted is a 'standard' Blizzard. Nice snake...

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

I dont post here much so that gallery is quite old...lol. I will have to post more of my newer stuff over here too!
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Michelle
Creatures of the Night
Private breeder/fanatic of many morphs of cornsnakes and select Florida Kingsnakes

Yea and I just checked, I only managed 2.1 from the f2....one of the females starved herself. That really stinks.
You should see the Amel blood I got from that breeding, he is brighter than my camera can capture.

Thanks so much for the compliments on my collection. I have been keeping corns since 94 and started breeding in 2000. Thats when I started really being selective about what I kept back and bought and Im glad it shows.

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Michelle
Creatures of the Night
Private breeder/fanatic of many morphs of cornsnakes and select Florida Kingsnakes

I absolutely love the head and neck pattern on that snake
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

Man!!, that is bad news,.....thanks for your info on the mother of this "paradox", as I'm sure the owner will find it very useful,if he doesn't know already,...best regards, Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

that snake looks like it is in blue. I know there are pics of a similar occurance in Kathy Love's book.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

Misty,......Yes, it is VERY much in the "blue" in those pics like I mentioned in my earlier post.....that's okay, I've missed things before myself!!LOL..............................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

haha...interesting

it's amazing what can pop out of an egg...lol..as far as color pattern/variations go

i've got an amel cornsnake...nothing special, but i love him
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0.1.0 Hogg Island Boa
0.0.1 Red Albino Cornsnake
1.0.0 Normal Leopard Gecko
0.1.0 Argentine Black & White Tegu
1.0.0 Leopard Toad
1.2.0 Dogs
1.2.0 Cats
2.0.0 Rats
1.0.0 Rabbit
1.0.0 Gerbil

I usually dont read other peoples' posts until I post what I have to say. Makes my response my own, not encouraged by what others say. I then go back and read what others say and then comment on their opinions, if I feel the need. I don't always do it that way, but sometimes. Depends how much time I have. Like, I am just now reading other people's posts! lol.
If I know the answer is obvious, and other people responded before me, I sometimes check to see if they said it first. That way, if they said what I did, I don't have to waste my time. Lol. Does that make any sense????
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

That's one amazing looking creature, certainly unique.....

Would be very cool to get pics not in Blue, though
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

"Back in the day" Rainwater Reptiles had piebald corns. Unlike piebald ball pythons, these snakes looked normal at first and then gained patches of white. I visited Tim Rainwater at his home and a year later at his store/breeding facility and saw some of these snakes. There were "calico" corns being marketed by Tim as well.

Both of these lines proved to have weak genetics and have "died out," meaning there's no snakes left from these lines.

Tim

Third Eye

Intersting that the pied afffect comes in later and has been associated with bad genetics. This is similar to vitiligo in humans which has been associated with an autoimmune disease.