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Just wondering how people get a piebald. I saw a photo of one today and it was amazing! What happens if you breed a pied to a normal or other morph?

A friend of mine bred a pied to an albino...
All the Babies came out looking normal so, he sold them to the local pet store for $15 each... Yeah Pieds are cool and so are Albinos but don't breed them together because you just get normal babies....

I am joking... The babies carry the genes to produce both mutations...

so the babies turn out looking normal, and are het for those genes, how do you get back to producing pied or other mutations?

For example, if I were to get a pied and an albino, then buy an unrelated pied. I breed the first pied with the albino to get the het, and breed a het baby to the unrelated pied and it would produce pied babies?

You would get some pieds Aprox. 50% will look pied...

awsome. I was just curious XD Thanks for the info
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1 amel female corn snake adult
1 Anitheristic male corn snake adult
1 amel female corn snake baby
1 Blood red Hypo female baby
1 phantom blue merle toy australian shepherd
1 black cat (possibly burmese)

You don't need an Albino to get a Piebald. Get a het Piebald male and a Het Piebald Female. Raise them up and breed them. You can get Pieds. You guys worry me. Claude

ah, yeah that works too, or a pied and het pied or something.
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1 amel female corn snake adult
1 Anitheristic male corn snake adult
1 amel female corn snake baby
1 Blood red Hypo female baby
1 phantom blue merle toy australian shepherd
1 black cat (possibly burmese)

To answer your original Q which was answered but in a funny way.
If you take said pied and breed to normal you will receive 1/2 pied 1/2 100% het for pied. If I am wrong correct me please.
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2.5.0 ball python
1.1.0 100% het pied
1.0.0 Blond Pastel
0.1.0 Spider
1.1.0 columbian boa
1.0.0 rat snake (alabastered)
1.1.0 corn snake
0.1.0 Chuckwalla (Jamie)
0.0.2 Bearded Dragon
0.0.1 crested gecko
1.0.0 leopord gecko
4.0.0 Quaker parrot (Woody)(Liam)
1.0.0 Landseer Newfoundland (Mac/Newfy)
0.0.5 whites tree frog (trevor, kirmet)
3.2.0 cats (rockie, bs, brownie, lerrado, kole)
1.3.0 kids (dilyen, dakota, chyanne, sierra)
Brian n Chrissy

"snakes are kind of like potato chips, you cant have just one"

n/p

See I knew I had that wrong thanks lolmy bad that is why I said pleas corect me.

My thought was in a pied to het sorry did not rethink that befor posting
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2.5.0 ball python
1.1.0 100% het pied
1.0.0 Blond Pastel
0.1.0 Spider
1.1.0 columbian boa
1.0.0 rat snake (alabastered)
1.1.0 corn snake
0.1.0 Chuckwalla (Jamie)
0.0.2 Bearded Dragon
0.0.1 crested gecko
1.0.0 leopord gecko
4.0.0 Quaker parrot (Woody)(Liam)
1.0.0 Landseer Newfoundland (Mac/Newfy)
0.0.5 whites tree frog (trevor, kirmet)
3.2.0 cats (rockie, bs, brownie, lerrado, kole)
1.3.0 kids (dilyen, dakota, chyanne, sierra)
Brian n Chrissy

"snakes are kind of like potato chips, you cant have just one"

NO!

Pieds are recessive

If you breed a pied to a normal, all of them will be normal looking 100% hets for pied.

If you breed a pied to a het pied, you get 50% pieds and 50% possible het pieds (normal).
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www.HeathersHerps.com

-Ohh, what a Lady-

Balls for Life, Baby!

If you breed a pied to a 100% het pied, you get half visual pieds and half 100% het pieds (normal looking).
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www.HeathersHerps.com

-Ohh, what a Lady-

Balls for Life, Baby!

See the first time I reply to a genetics Q I don't think before I type lol my bad
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2.5.0 ball python
1.1.0 100% het pied
1.0.0 Blond Pastel
0.1.0 Spider
1.1.0 columbian boa
1.0.0 rat snake (alabastered)
1.1.0 corn snake
0.1.0 Chuckwalla (Jamie)
0.0.2 Bearded Dragon
0.0.1 crested gecko
1.0.0 leopord gecko
4.0.0 Quaker parrot (Woody)(Liam)
1.0.0 Landseer Newfoundland (Mac/Newfy)
0.0.5 whites tree frog (trevor, kirmet)
3.2.0 cats (rockie, bs, brownie, lerrado, kole)
1.3.0 kids (dilyen, dakota, chyanne, sierra)
Brian n Chrissy

"snakes are kind of like potato chips, you cant have just one"

The easiest way to get a Pied cheap, is to get a 100% Het Pied female this year. Feed her well, and next year, get a Het Pied male. OR, get a couple of Het Pied females this year, and I would almost guarantee you can get a Het Pied male thrown in for free. OR, put up a post on here asking who is doing a Het to Het breeding this year using Het Pieds. Ask if you can buy the Possible Hets from a clutch, probably for pretty cheap, and buy two clutches, breed males from clutch A to females from clutch B and see what happens.

Dave

The easiest way to get a pied is to buy a pied! That way you can admire it and enjoy it yourself. Hets don't look any cooler than normals (not that normals are boring, I think they're great).

The previous post suggested buying het pairs and perhaps a slew of % possible hets. If you like keeping well up to 10 animals or so just because you want to produce one morph animal, be my guest. If you are willing to buy, house, feed, and care for that many animals, just because the initial sticker shock of buying the morph seems daunting, you will probably burn up a lot more money and effort in the process than you would have in just buying the morph.

From the marketing standpoint, if you were to breed a het male to a het female, then you would produce some Pieds and more 66% possible hets - which are not the greatest buy out there. Since everybody pretty well butchered this explanation on their first few attempts (no offense guys), here is the URL to my response in a thread where I explained a lot of this in detail:

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1256091,1256735

The thread was about axanthics, which are a different morph than piebalds of course, but both are recessive, and so the inheritance is the same for both morphs.

Now, from the standpoint of "how do I go about producing a piebald?" Yes, a het X het breeding could get you there, but the offspring from a pied X het pied breeding will be much more valuable when you in turn want to sell the babies you worked so hard to produce. Shop around and find a deal you are comfortable with to get an unrelated male & female pair that consists of one piebald animal and one het piebald animal. Prices vary a lot, so shop around to find out which route you want to go. Females should be at least 3 years old, and weigh over 1500 grams before you should attempt to breed them. Males can be bred quite a bit younger, and I won't attempt to define how much younger, as there is a lot of debate on this.

Good luck to you! This is an addictive hobby (as if you couldn't already tell). Educate yourself as best as you can on genetics before you invest in morphs, and it will save you a lot of headaches and lost money.

~Rebecca

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0.1 Dumeril's Boa '04 (Courtney)
1.2 Ball Pythons
[1.0 '05 Orange Hypo (Specter)]
[0.1 '05 Het Orange Hypo (Sylvia)]
[0.1 '03 Normal (Sue)]
0.2 American Pit Bull Terriers (40lb darling lap dogs:Brandy&Mara)

You obviously skimmed over what I said, instead of actually reading what I wrote. I said the easy CHEAP way...

If the original poster can afford to plop down $3K and buy a Pied, great, buy one. I love it when one person has ALL the answers.

n/p
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0.1 Dumeril's Boa '04 (Courtney)
1.2 Ball Pythons
[1.0 '05 Orange Hypo (Specter)]
[0.1 '05 Het Orange Hypo (Sylvia)]
[0.1 '03 Normal (Sue)]
0.2 American Pit Bull Terriers (40lb darling lap dogs:Brandy&Mara)