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I'm new to morphs, don't know much at all about 'em. I recently bought a pair of corns, M/F, that are about 2 yrs old and 4 feet long.

First of all, is this male I have an Anery "A"?

If I breed that male with this Okeetee female, what would the likely results be?

These pics don't do either one of these snakes justice, the camera I used was a lousy one.

All input is welcomed and appreciated. Thank you!

Have a good one!
Mike
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It is said that 1 out of every 4 people are mentally unbalanced. Think of your 3 closest friends, if they're normal, then it's you.

YES- THE FIRST ONE IS AN ANERY A MOTLEY. motley b/c it has a plain belly and the circular markings on the top. the other is a lovely okeetee and if you bred them together and dont share the same "hets" then you would get normals het anery "A" and motley
~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude) [just a pet...she started it all]
1. Orange normal (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
2. Miami Phase part zigzag (Starkey, Mcvitty)[Emilys F2]
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury) .1 Blizzard (Detta)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy) [Emilys F1 babies]
.1 Sunglow Amel (Pepperoni)*1. Sunglow coming soon!
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss HET Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Hypo HET Stripe (Gracie Lou) 1. Hypo Stripe (Gideon)
1.1 Anery HET Motley (Lleroy, Persia)
.2 Candy Cane (Peaches HoneyBlossom[Just a pet], Tamale)
1.1 Abbotts Okeetee (Albert[Charlottes son], NO NAME)
1.1 Snow (Crickle, Isis) .1 Green Snow (Maya)
1. Caramel poss HET Butter (Topher)
.1 Anery stripe (V) [husbands snake...he named it]
.1 Orange Reverse Okeetee (Lonna)
1.2 Bloodred HET Amel 1. Amel HET Bloodred

Others:
1. Black rat (Willard)
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)
1. High-white Reverse Spotted Cal King (Wishbone) *.1 soon!
.1 Albino Stripe Cal King (Eve)
.1 Banana spotted/stripe cal king (Speckle) Thanks Jeff!!!
1.1 Thayeri (Giuseppe[MSP], Cheyenne)
1.1 Creamsicle HET Motley(Orangejello, Genevieve)
1. Creamsicle motley (Montey) Thanks Jimmy!!
1. Albino Striped Jungle Corn (NO NAME)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LIZARDS~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko(Blitz)
.1? High yellow Leopard Gecko(no name)
1. Bearded Dragon (no name)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLES~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)
.1 snapping turtle (Snappy Jaws)

Although all of the babies will be normal, (and het for Anery, het for Motley) some, or possibly all, may show a lot of the Okeetee characteristics too.
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Mike Heinrich
mike@amazontreeboa.org
www.boakingdom.com

Yes, thank you. i was thinking that but obviously didnt put that in my post now that i'm looking over it. thanks for saying that b/c it really does help to determine what the babies would look like. hehe my bad
~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude) [just a pet...she started it all]
1. Orange normal (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
2. Miami Phase part zigzag (Starkey, Mcvitty)[Emilys F2]
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury) .1 Blizzard (Detta)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy) [Emilys F1 babies]
.1 Sunglow Amel (Pepperoni)*1. Sunglow coming soon!
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss HET Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Hypo HET Stripe (Gracie Lou) 1. Hypo Stripe (Gideon)
1.1 Anery HET Motley (Lleroy, Persia)
.2 Candy Cane (Peaches HoneyBlossom[Just a pet], Tamale)
1.1 Abbotts Okeetee (Albert[Charlottes son], NO NAME)
1.1 Snow (Crickle, Isis) .1 Green Snow (Maya)
1. Caramel poss HET Butter (Topher)
.1 Anery stripe (V) [husbands snake...he named it]
.1 Orange Reverse Okeetee (Lonna)
1.2 Bloodred HET Amel 1. Amel HET Bloodred

Others:
1. Black rat (Willard)
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)
1. High-white Reverse Spotted Cal King (Wishbone) *.1 soon!
.1 Albino Stripe Cal King (Eve)
.1 Banana spotted/stripe cal king (Speckle) Thanks Jeff!!!
1.1 Thayeri (Giuseppe[MSP], Cheyenne)
1.1 Creamsicle HET Motley(Orangejello, Genevieve)
1. Creamsicle motley (Montey) Thanks Jimmy!!
1. Albino Striped Jungle Corn (NO NAME)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LIZARDS~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko(Blitz)
.1? High yellow Leopard Gecko(no name)
1. Bearded Dragon (no name)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLES~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)
.1 snapping turtle (Snappy Jaws)

yes,...she is correct,....providing they are not het for any other trait(s), you will get ALL normal "looking" offspring that are "het" for anery."A"/Motley.......and I also agree, that is a VERY nice "Okeetee" corn you have!........................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Thank you all for taking the time to give me your input and thanks for the compliments on the Okeetee. I thought she was a dandy, too, and that's the only reason I bought 'em.

Thinking logically, it seems to me like those two would produce something other than normals. Could be the reason why I've kinda shied away from digging into info on morphs. Confusing to an ol' hillbilly. LOL! Don't misunderstand me, I definitely believe ya'll. Looks like now's a good time to check out that genetics wizard link I've had saved for some time.

The Anery wasn't very appealing to me at first but it's starting to grow on me. I was impressed with how iridescent it was, though. I've only seen such iridescence on Indigo snakes. I'm sure though that there are several others that I just haven't seen in person, yet.

Any suggestions of another morph to breed either one to in order to produce something other than normals?

Thank you, very much for your time & input!

Take care!
Mike
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It is said that 1 out of every 4 people are mentally unbalanced. Think of your 3 closest friends, if they're normal, then it's you.

Well, here's the short version of some basic genetics. Unless you breed ANY morph to another individual with the SAME genetics, you will produce ALL hets.for that given trait. In your case, you will produce ALL "double hets", because your anery corn is also a "Motley"corn, making it a "double mutation", thus the term.."anery motley". when a snake visually "shows a specific trait(s), it is referred to as "homozygous", "het" is just short for the term "heterozygous" meaning different. If you "back-breed" the offspring to each other when they are older, or back to the "anery(A)Motley" parent, you will produce both hets, and "anery(a)Motley" offspring,most likely with wider dark borders because of the "Okeetees" influence.....This all might sound like "rocket science", but it really isn't if you get on "Google search" and type in "snake genetics". Also, there are MANY websites like Kathy Love's "Corn-u-topia" that explain genetics as well. Just try and you will find!!....."genetics wizard" will indeed tell you what you'll get for offspring, but it might be difficult to interpret the answer without some basic genetic knowledge first, but give it a whirl, and see what you come up with. If the info. is correct, it will tell you what I said, all "double-hets"for the first breeding of the two adults you have....hope this helped some, and didn't confuse you more!!LOL....when you get into triple hets, and other stuff, then it gets REALLY TOUGH to some, but your case is pretty straight-forward..........Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Get anothe anery(A)Motley, or "motley, you can produce those right off the bat, since you already have one with a snake with those particular genetics, or you could get another "Okeetee" to produce those. But two individuals must carry either het, or homo, of a trait in order to produce those particular offspring...........Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Thanks for the crash course, Doug!
I knew what "het" meant but couldn't recall the official word. I skimmed the top of the "genetics" subject a few years ago, when I got back into snakes after nearly a 15-yr. hiatus. I bought 2 burmese pythons that are supposed to be het for albino (same albino daddy but different normal mommies). I didn't buy them because they were hets, that was a bonus, if it's true.

Anyway, you did a good job of explaining the basics of genetics and now I've got a better idea of how the gene pool operates. I can also see how exciting and challenging creating morphs can be. No wonder so many people are into it.

Thanks a bunch!
Mike
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It is said that 1 out of every 4 people are mentally unbalanced. Think of your 3 closest friends, if they're normal, then it's you.

hey, I like your saying in your signature. If you do not have three friends, does that mean you are the three normal people And the one off balance one as well? lol
When I first saw the numbers, I thought it was the saying that goes "4 out of 3 people have problems with fractions" but I like yours better!

To stay on topic, get a motley female for that male. I personally would get a snake that is a different color (say amel), Het for Anery. Then, if your anery was Het the same color, you could end up with motley amels, anerys, snows! Beats normal color motley any day!

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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

I agree that I probably should get a motley female to be breed with the anery/motley male. I like the motley trait better than the anery.

I saw a motley sunglow (or something like that) for the first time last night while looking at some of the morphs online and thought it was a beauty.

Digging into the genetics/morphs I feel almost like I've just discovered snakes all over again. I'm also finding out that it's really not as complicated as it first seems.

I had bought a book, "Corn Snakes - The Comprehensive Owner's Guide" by Kathy & Bill Love a few days after I got these snakes but tonight is the first time I've had a chance to look at it. It seems to be a pretty good book from what I can tell so far.

What is that in the 2nd photo of your post?

Misty wrote:"If you do not have three friends, does that mean you are the three normal people And the one off balance one as well?"

Heh, How do you know me so well? Yepper, that's right! LOL!

Catch ya later!
Mike
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It is said that 1 out of every 4 people are mentally unbalanced. Think of your 3 closest friends, if they're normal, then it's you.

the second pic is a motley. Here are more pics of her. The previous one was a little old

and another motley of mine

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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

Ahh, nice! I hope she retains her colors with age 'cause she's a dandy.

Thanks for sharing your pics & info with me.

Thanks to everyone else, as well.

Ya'll take care!
Mike
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It is said that 1 out of every 4 people are mentally unbalanced. Think of your 3 closest friends, if they're normal, then it's you.

Thank you. The smaller one is actually darker than the camera captures. She is a darker brown. I named her cocoa because she reminds me of chocolate. The older motley lightened as she aged, but she was never as dark as the younger one. The breeder that I got the older motley from has a lot of hypo running in his corns, and it would not surprise me if she was or at least was het for hypo. With motley it is hard to tell hypo (Unless you know the parents) because the motley makes the snake appear hypo.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

With motley it is hard to tell hypo (Unless you know the parents) because the motley makes the snake appear hypo.

Yeah, I noticed that in the larger one. When I first saw it I did a double-take. I was practically up gainst my monitor looking for the black. Heeheehee!!!
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It is said that 1 out of every 4 people are mentally unbalanced. Think of your 3 closest friends, if they're normal, then it's you.

I am pretty sure the bigger one is hypo. I am going to prove her out this year. She is being bred with my hypo male.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"