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What's the difference in coloration of an adult sulfur lavendar brooksi and an adult sulfur brooksi? Which adult is more yellow? Got any nice pictures to illustrate the difference in coloration?
Thanks.
Vic

Man i was just going to ask that same question. Also would anyone be so kind as to tell what the genetics are behind these morphs. Thanks in advance

From what I've seen and from the understanding of the Amel gene I would say that adult Sulphur Lavenders would have a more intense color than a "normal" sulphur... think about it all the dark pigment is taken away leaving you with intense yellows and oranges!!!!!

I think a Lavender from Brandon's sulphur pair will be even more intense than the current sulphur lavenders, from the pix I've seen in the classifieds, the lavender hatchlings from that pairing hatched out with am much color as an adult sulphur lavender and from my experience with this phenotype it only gets better with age.

Sulphur breeds true as well, I have an outcross pair and they are killer, not as nice as the current sulphur lavenders but well above average.
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Thye are both yellow. Just one is lavender albino and the other a normal.

Sulfur on the left. Pic courtesy (I hope) by Brandon Osborne.

Brandon I hope you don't mind me using your pic. I thought it would be better to show both snakes on one post.Thanks~

It should be noted that the sulfur gene is not a reccessive trait. But that all sulfurs do pass on a strong yellow colour even after being watered down for several generations.

So basically a sulfer lav is a high color albino with the high color coming form a particular line?

"So basically a sulfer lav is a high color albino with the high color coming form a particular line?

Yes.

Thank you for the replies and pics. It sure is nice to have access to so much information.
Vic

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No problem Rainer. I do think it's worth mentioning though, that the snake on the right is a white phase. It is by no means what I would call a "normal" brooksi. It's actually one of the best I've produced and both animals are at around 18-20 months in that pic.

Here is the same Sulfur as an adult taken about 2 years ago. I just pulled everything out of brumation, so I'll try to get new pics when it warms up.

Brandon Osborne

WoW! Very striking Brandon. Here is a sulfur snow.

That's very cool!

Brandon Osborne

Good seeing you on the forum. Check out this NE Axanthic pictured below. He's a 2004 male (bluerosy stock) I purchased from you almost two years ago. I think when I received him from you, he was a 22-24 inch yearling, and now he's atleast four foot or more. First picture is the day he arrived, pictured in the deli-cup. He's been an awesome snake.
Steve

Steve

Steve,
Your snake pictured has been the one example of that morph that has me thinking about maybe getting one in the future. I had no idea before I saw yours how gorgeous those are and never had plans on getting one but now, things may change.
Thank you for posting!!!
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Genesis 1:1

Thanks for the nice words Discern. Not only are these guys hard to beat for their beauty, but when you add extremely docile, voracious appetite, and low maintence requirements, who needs a ball python? Just kidding for the Ball fans. I do love CBB,normal Ball pythons, if you can find them. Seems like a rare animal these days, But anyway, back to Axanthic Brooksi. I don't think you'll regret it when you decide to purchase one of these gems.
Steve

>>Steve,
Your snake pictured has been the one example of that morph that has me thinking about maybe getting one in the future. I had no idea before I saw yours how gorgeous those are and never had plans on getting one but now, things may change.
Thank you for posting!!!

Is it just the lighting, cause he looks alot more blue in the deli cup. I can see the blue in the adult pic its just more faded. Is it more blue in person?
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-J.Hill

These guys do have a bluish hue to them, but the lighting plays a part on how blue they are in the pic. Here's a different shot of him. I think this picture gives a better example of his true color in good lighting. In certain positions the way the light hits can really bring out the bluish hues, like on the facial area behind the eye. If you get the light right, just about the whole snake can take on a deeper blue color.
Steve

>>Is it just the lighting, cause he looks alot more blue in the deli cup. I can see the blue in the adult pic its just more faded. Is it more blue in person

Man that is a very beautiful snake, I might just grab a pair this 07 year. I was also wondering if there are any comparisons between NE axanthic x hypo ghosts and regular axanthic x hypo ghost. And differences between snows that originated with NEs or normal axanthics. Maybe a sulfur lavender x NE axanthic would look totally different than a normal albino x normal axanthic. Same with the high red hypos could that result in a very different looking ghost if an NE was used etc. All that good stuff. Cause I've heard that the regular axanthic brooksi was'nt compatible when bred to a NE axanthic. Also is anyone working with a normal axanthic x NE cross, does it get a combo of the two after you breed the hets that came out with the incompatible first breeding? Thanks
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-J.Hill

Dang my brain hurts now,..LOL.. thanks alot gopher.
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Richard Evans

no not THAT one

Man that is a very beautiful snake, I might just grab a pair this 07 year.

I have one pair of '06 NE's left. They're yours if you want them.

I was also wondering if there are any comparisons between NE axanthic x hypo ghosts and regular axanthic x hypo ghost. And differences between snows that originated with NEs or normal axanthics.

I have been producing NE's axanthics for a number of years and never bred the NE line into hypos or lavenders (my bad). Now in retrospect I think the NE Ghost version would be dramatically better looking than the Lemke line axanthics used. You know what they say... Hindsight is always 20/20.

Here is a pic of a 9 month old NE axanthic and a 2 1/2 year old ghost. As you can tell the NE will lighten up so as to be almost indistingishable from the Ghost:

Maybe a sulfur lavender x NE axanthic would look totally different than a normal albino x normal axanthic. Same with the high red hypos could that result in a very different looking ghost if an NE was used etc. All that good stuff. Cause I've heard that the regular axanthic brooksi was'nt compatible when bred to a NE axanthic. Also is anyone working with a normal axanthic x NE cross, does it get a combo of the two after you breed the hets that came out with the incompatible first breeding? Thanks

First I think when you say "normal" axanthic you are referring to the Lemke line of axanthics. They are compatiple with the New England line. I bred a NE to the Lemke line in the 90's and all the babies came out axanthics. SO the gene between these are allelic.

Now this is where it gets confusing. The BHB axanthics. It seems BHB has to lines. Both look more floridana (ugly)than the Lemke or NE line. One of those Florida looking lines he has (I like to call his line anerys instead of axanthics because they are so different looking and the florida kings babies have more red,,,anyway..) is not allelic and the other does share the same alelle. Nowbody seems to know what they have been getting from BHB until they breed them. Can be problematic to say the least. But I am surewhen you refer to "normal"axanthics you mean the Lemke line and they are compatiple. The BHB line is not very common in collections and that why I say that.

Here is a pic of a NE axanthic and a BHB anerythritic:

I think crossing a white looking hypo like this one to a NE axanthic would produce the best Ghosts. The red hypos just add to much pigment.

somebody need to get busy and breed the the New England line into Brandons hi white line!

The high white line comes from Lemke axanthics. I don't think breeding the NE into that line will improve them. Can't explain why, just got an inkling that it won't.

Thanks, I was just wondering. Yeah what were you thinking not breeding NE axanthics into other things, lol just kidding of course, But it will be interesting to see if anyone does it if not I'll have to eventually do it cause I'm curious as heck about it.
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-J.Hill

I don't think the NE axanthic will improve the ghost to much if a red hypo is used or a dark hypo. You want to use a light hypo like the Love line. You want to pick a hypo with no flecks on the belly. Usually all the love line hypos had this. The bread line and other lines (now crossed out) have much more pigment. Look for a hypo with a clean yellow belly.

Well, I got my hypo from Tom Stevens and his hypos are really light. Heck even some of his normals are hypo like in appearance.
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-J.Hill

Don't worry, I still lurk here and check in every day. I've just seen quite a bit of crap over the last couple of years and decided I had enough. lol. I love that brooksi are making a comeback on this forum. They were somewhat taken over for a while. That axanthic is looking killer! I'm glad he's in good hands.

Brandon Osborne

Well come on Brandon, help us make Brooksi come back strong. Your pics are killer and everyone loves your snakes. I think so many morphs of so many different snakes hit the market in a relatively short period of time that people looked at some of these great Kings and moved on to look at the 100 other morphs of various snakes out there. Once they really see how nice the normals and morphs are it seems they're finally recognized. I have a lot of cool snakes for this year, lets hope they are as ready for breeding season as they seem to be. Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

Man, I'll do my part with what I have. Like you said, there are 100 other morphs of this and that and things get lost in translation. All I have for brooksi now are Whites and Sulfur/Lav Sulfurs. I've decided to concentrate on those attributes rather than 100 at once......plus I have many more green trees I'm raising up. They poop less. lol.

Brandon Osborne

I hear ya bro, just letting you know some of us missed havin you participate. That's a helluva Python, I may get my first ever Python eggs this year...fingers crossed Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

You still got the anerythristic stripe Goini/Brooks and more of that in your plans as well? I’ll post a picture of your little boy “Gold” in a month or so- he’s a handsome kid with 66% potential! (and best of luck with “Paradigum”)

You know it Rich. I just warmed them all back up this week. Feeding starts tomorrow and I have some other surprises not seen from a couple of years ago. I'll get some pics up soon. Thanks for the wishes on the band. I'm having a lot of fun playing with these guys. It keeps me young and makes me old.

Thanks
Brandon