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What would a Super Cinny Pied look like? Would it be solid black with white patches? Could someone test this theory? PLEASE!!!!
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That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

Already in the works by many, they've even coined it the ''oreo ball''

A florida breeder hatched a Super Cinny ringer last year and it looked amazing!

I think I saw a super cinny and it looked like a dark cinnamon color but not black.

OK so they're not exactly Black but a dark cinnamon brownish chocolate color. But they will still look like long cows with no legs. I can't wait.
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That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

Can you really already call it the oreo? I mean no one has produced them yet correct? All i am trying to say is that i doubt when people started the snowball project they had no idea breeding a yellow snake to a black and white snake would produce a all white snake correct? I hope they do turn out to look like a cow but i also hope that they keep the crazy pattern that pieds have now where there is pattern. I mean white spots on a black snake but the black parts i hope still have the pied look to them.
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B Sleeper

1.0 Chocolate Lab
0.1 ?? Normal Ball python (yet different)
1.0 04 Het Albino
1.1 06 Het Albino
1.1 06 Het Pied
1.0 06 Pastel
0.? 07 Pos Het Albino (Momma has not laid the eggs yet)

I hope it is a predominantly white snake and the pied makes the black spots with white smiley faces.

OK now I'm just being rediculous. I do agree though, It would be a terrible loss to not have the pied patterning in the spots.
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That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

Re: BSleeper's last comment on Crazy Thinking.
Smile.
This is not an attack. Just pointing something out.
I am quite sure that anyone who has been involved with Ball Pythons, since before SNOWS were produced, knew that breeding Axanthics to Amelanistics would produce...or at least in theory, SHOULD produce a nearly white snake. It is merely understanding what the genes do. Breeding these two snakes was done with the intention of making SNOWS. (Which were named prior to actually seeing the animals hatched.) Corn snakes were a great model for this theory. (Anery X Amel)
Had something different looking than "today's snows" been born, surely the proposed name would have been changed to corectly describe the combo.
As for the name, "OREO".....there are a lot of people working on this project. I have heard a jillion different names tossed around. For example: Orca Ball, Cookies n' Cream Ball, Panda Ball, Zebra Ball, Penguin Ball, Salt and Pepper Ball, Black Beans and Rice Ball, Prison Stipes Ball.
And my personal all time favorite names for the Super Cinny Pibald Ball Python...
The Cheap, Pre 1960's T.V. set Ball (aka, Black n'White)
The Cop Car Ball
The Segregation Ball
I know one guy (name withheld) who even said he would call it...
The Dirty Sanchez Ball!?!?
But my #1 personal favorite is:
The Tuxedo Ball.
This name evokes an image of the elite upper crust.
The top of the line, dressed to the nines.
A Ball Python wearing a Tuxedo.
"I'm sorry sir, you just can't get in without a Tux!"
The name game can be fun, but it can get a little out of hand.
Especially with different names for different proven lines of the same morph! I can see that it might be important to be able to differentiate between certain lines in cases of negative genetic traits....but you can go too far with the name game. Many people want to name things before they are even a proven out, genetically inheritable trait. This is ridiculous and not even ethical!
The problem with the "Tuxedo Ball" is that when you cross co-dom traits, or combine them with recessive traits, you can never be certain of the phenotypic outcome.
So, I think it is best for us to all have a little patience, and see what they really look like prior to slapping any names on them. Those who actually produce a TRUE MORPH first should be the ones to have the honor of naming that morph.
Hopefully the name will fit the appearance of the animal.
But we did have a little FUN with the name game.
Harlin Wall - WALL TO WALL REPTILES!

I agree, you can't really name it before you see it. With the outcome of the Pied X Spider, it may be all white with a dark head.
As far as names, I like the Tuxedo, but where is the 8 Ball?

Can you imagine going to a 5 star Restaurant with a Ball around your neck and trying to explain that you are wearing your "Tux"?
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That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

Wow! After all the names I had listed I can't believe I forgot the infamous Eight Ball! There are likely a few other's I left out. Naming something new is good silly fun.
Not to mention, that a name like SNOW is A LOT easier to market than Homozygous, Amelanistic, Axanthic Ball Python!!!
Something interesting to note:
With all of the names for this "yet-to-be-seen" combo morph, ( Super Cinny Pied Ball Python), you can bet this is a VERY popular project! Perhaps the anticipation of seeing a few of these and other Cinny or Black Pastel Crosses has helped to keep the prices where they belong on Cinnys and Blk Pastels.
If every breeder valued each type of Ball morph for their true future combo potential...no one would be able to complain about any price issues....on any morphs. Granted I understand supply and demand....But,
Let's face it. We breeders need to REALLY value our OWN animals if we prefer market stability. Enthusiasm is infectious. If we breeders hold the value of our animals for their future potential (with combo projects involving new and existing morphs), certainly our customers will place similar values on them. This attitude is what creates stability.
New hobbyists/customers like stability. It all begins with us. Reptile Keeping/Breeding...What a WONDERFUL ADDICTION!
Harlin Wall - WALL TO WALL REPTILES!

I just thought I would applaud your post, not only for your very creative names (very well thought out), but also for your perspective on the whole picture. You’re right on with the morph needing to be produced first. And of course when you’re the first you have the right to name it whatever you want, part of the fun. I also appreciated you views on valuing our animals, we need more people like you in the hobby. Great post and I hope to see more from you in the future. Brian (BHB)

There are people working on the "Oreo Ball".