Reptile & Amphibian Forums

...does enjoy rats. Just picked her up at a show last weekend. All I can say is WOW. These are cool animals. Very deliberate and calm mannerisms. Kind of like my northern pines, she never appears to be nervous. Anybody out there with large adults? I'd be curious to get some input from some of you. I guess I'll post on the venomous forum as well. Is there a venomous forum? (I'm really a ratsnake/kingsnake person but just couldn't resist!)

>>...does enjoy rats. Just picked her up at a show last weekend. All I can say is WOW. These are cool animals. Very deliberate and calm mannerisms. Kind of like my northern pines, she never appears to be nervous. Anybody out there with large adults? I'd be curious to get some input from some of you. I guess I'll post on the venomous forum as well. Is there a venomous forum? (I'm really a ratsnake/kingsnake person but just couldn't resist!)
>>

That is a south american pit isnt it?I cant think of there name but there on my wish list.Your northerns are mellow?Does that come with age?My female is satan unleashed.lol.My male is normally ok but has his moments.

-----
If lead paint is so deadly why do they make it so delicious?

I assumed false water cobras were an asian species but to be honest I know very little about them. Another classic case of a spontaneous buy at a show, although I've been thinking about getting these for a while. Oh, my northerns were calm the day I got them as hatchlings as I've been told are there 8' parents.
Don

Yep, they are South American (Hydrodynastes gigas) and more closely related to hognose snakes than pits.

Billy

FWCs are awesome, powerful snakes. They are from S.A. and get about 8 feet long and super thick.
The biggest one I've seen is about 7'4" and as thick as a coke can.
Good luck.

Is that a Night Adder (Casus)???

-----
I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

nm

Thanks DonV!

In my limited pile of snake books the night adder was the closest thing visually.

I will have to look these guys up and lean more!

Cheers,

John D
-----
I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

Info on the venom of false water cobras is a bit sketchy, but it's reputed to be about as toxic as rattlesnake venom. It's their delivery system that is poor. There are reports of some serious reactions. Don't think I'd be free handling one.

deg

I checked out the rear fanged forum and by most accounts a bite is a bit like a bee sting. I talked to several folks over the last few shows i've been to and the general consnsus is don't get bit but if you do it will sting for 15 minutes and bleed alot. Where did you read the venom to be as bad as rattlesnake venom? Thanks in advance, Don.

>>I checked out the rear fanged forum and by most accounts a bite is a bit like a bee sting. I talked to several folks over the last few shows i've been to and the general consnsus is don't get bit but if you do it will sting for 15 minutes and bleed alot. Where did you read the venom to be as bad as rattlesnake venom? Thanks in advance, Don.

Here's the best reference I found -
http://snakesnadders.tripod.com/id176.html

Also, you might want to read this thread:
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=975304,975304

A couple others:

http://bio.bd.psu.edu/dmm/snake/snake.htm

"Manning, B., M. Galbo, and G. Klapman. 1999. First report of a symptomatic South American false water cobra envenomation. Journal of Toxicology Clinical Toxicology 37(5):613 (abstract). Report prolonged bite, Hydrodynastes gigas, pet store employee, California - hospitalized with "significant local swelling, pain, muscle paralysis, and arrhythmias."

"Mackessy, S. P. 1998. Isolation and partial amino acid sequence of a novel metalloprotease from the venom of the colubrid snake Hydrodynastes gigas (false water cobra). Toxicon 36(9):1250 (abstract). Notes bites "produce severe edema, tissue necrosis and pain"; describes enzymatic properties venom; reports partial characterization caseinolytic metalloprotease."

http://www.venomdoc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16342&sid=42e77659635c48277d73c3fccba54cb2

deg

Here is the link to the venomous forum here on Kingsnake.com

There are several sub forums, also. Are these guys rear fanged, as there is a rear fanged sub forum.
Venomous forum

-----
phflame
kingsnake.com host

Nice FWC! I've toyed with getting a pair of those monsters for awhile. Very cool snakes from what I understand, with BIG feeding responses. Easy to breed too. Best of luck with that gorgeous girl!

Since we're OT on rearfangs, here's a couple of pics of my Eastern Tigers (Telescopus s. semiannulatus) I recently acquired. Very cool little snakes...

Billy

Cool Tiger!