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of snow cali kings?

Blizzards or High Whites??

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
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Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Either lol. Heard about snows but google doesnt give me a lot on them, and I seem to get whites, yellows, and black & whites. Was just wondering what you guys classed a snow as

There aren't any snow cal kings, IMO it is an incorrect term.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

In the cal king world a "Blizzard" is a cal king displaying two recessive genes at the same time, albino and hypermelanistic (Mendota, Davis, Baja, etc..)

In the corn snake world a "snow corn" is a corn snake that is displaying two recessive genes at the same time, albino/amelanistic and anerythristic.

So when people use the term "snow" people can be confused.

Here is a pic of two Blizzard cal kings breeding.

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

I read somewhere that there are 2 types of albinism in cali kings, and if bred together produce babies that appear hypermel but arent actually hyper - is this true?

Sorry for all the queations, Ive been looking to get into king breeding for a while, but there is very little on genetics.

IMO there is just one form of albinism in cal kings...BUT...there are numerous forms of "Lavender" and "Hypo" that are not compatible with each other in cal kings.

That means in the future we will be producing quite a bit more cal king morphs that haven't been produced yet (not as bad as the corn snake business LOL)

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Ahh I see.

So, if I got hold of a hypermel, bred it to my albino, Id get normal babies het for blizzard?

Also I know banded and stripes can both appear in the same clutch, is this genetic? eg if i had a pair of stripes am i guaranteed to get all stripe babies, or will there still be bandeds in the clutch?

**So, if I got hold of a hypermel, bred it to my albino, Id get normal babies het for blizzard?**

There is no such thing as het for Blizzard, or in the corn snake world - het for snow. The babies would be double hets.

If you breed a hypermelanistic with an albino in cal kings, all the babies will be 100% double hets (albino & hypermelanistic), they are not het for Blizzard. When breeding the sibling double hets back to each other only 1/16 (statistically speaking) will be a Blizzard.

Using your example of breeding 2 cal kings that are "het for Blizzard", I would expect that roughly 25% (Punnet's Square) would come out as Blizzards - and that simply is not the case and would be misleading. There is a big difference between 1/16 and 25%.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Ok I was right - this is far more complicated than cornsnake breeding lol. You dont offer courses on kingsnake genetics do you?? lol Thank you so much for all the info. Do you know any good sites that offer good info on cali genetics?

Thanks again, and btw there are some amazing snakes on your website!

Mel

I will be adding a California Kingsnake Genetics page on my site soon.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Ill be looking forward to that. Thanks again for all the info

Mel

when you'll be updating your "field reports". LOL I guess you're just getting to old to get out any more.
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Vichris
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"- Marcus Aurelius

Vichris Variables

Actually I have been out in the field quite a bit, just haven't been updating the "field reports"...something in my "spare time" I might be doing. LOL

Getting ready to bring my snakes up this week as the weather has finally turned and the birds are chirping again.

Take care Chris

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

OHHHHHHH! Oh no he di'ent! Kerby, are you a closet field herper and keeping all the great stories for the book?!
Todd Hughes

The parents of this one were an Albino High White and a Lavender, so in this case yes the babies appeared to have a "hypo look" to them, but it wasn't all that appearant when they were young. But they are 100% double hets (Lavender & albino).

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Lovely snake, see what you mean by the hypo look.

So is that a banana king then
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Josh Delaney

Delaney Colubrids

Kerby, when will it (the genetic book) come out in hardback, lol!
Todd Hughes

It's still in it's infancy.

Maybe in 5 years LOL

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Those pearlescent (is that a word?) snakes are truely a sight to behold. How do they appear as hatchlings?
Todd Hughes

Pink worms that turn into really nice pearl white cal kings.

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Very kool!
Todd Hughes

Both have been erroneously called snows as well.

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Thanks very much for that Ill have to be on the lookout for any of those.... theyre all too nice!

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