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I wasn't really aware of what constituted a "coral snowcorn" until recently. Apparently it is comprised of anery(A),and amelanism(which is understandable), along with the hypomelanism trait, from which it gets a slightly more pinkish, and/or yellowish "look"...therefore, these snakes are triple homozygous animals!......I thought posting this would help some folks get a better "handle" on what makes up this particular morph. Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

If the animal is homozygous amel, how can the hypo gene have any effect? It seems that if the amel gene has removed all of the melanin, there would be nothing left for the hypo gene reduce. I'm not trying to be a smart a**, it just seems like an odd combination to me. Just curious. Thanks.

Rob

That was always the general opinion until Don Soderberg (SMR)and Jim Stepflug (SWReptiles) both started producing Hypo Snows every year and proved the hypo gene does make a visual difference in Snow corns.
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Mike Heinrich
mike@amazontreeboa.org
www.boakingdom.com

First, it is called a hypo, but that doesn't mean it is biochemically just a hypo. You are correct if the trrait was JUST a reduction in black. Apparently, it does more than that - or something different that LOOKS like what a hypo would do.

>>That was always the general opinion until Don Soderberg (SMR)and Jim Stepflug (SWReptiles) both started producing Hypo Snows every year and proved the hypo gene does make a visual difference in Snow corns.

Second, it really is a little more complex than that. Not all Hypo snows are anything line a "pink" or "coral" snow. Sone of the brightest pink ones aren't hypos, too. Soooo, simplification can be a problem in this situation. Is it due to the varying strains of hypo? I don't know. Is it due to natural variation as is seen in hypo and other traits? I don't know, but probably.

Sooooo, not all hypo snows are "pink snows" and not all pink snows are hypos. however, I don't disagree with your statement concerning Don's/Jim's situation. I have never heard anything to contradict what you stated, of course.

BUT, don't think just getting a hypo snow is all that is necessary to get a coral or pink snow.

KJ

Just putting any generic hypo into the mix, will NOT produce the so called "coral snow".....and also agree there are some VERY PINK regular "snows" as well. What exactly is responsible for this, I don't think anyone knows,as enzymes,amino acids, tyrosinase,peptides,purines etc....are extremely complex. Apparently the triple homo combination that originated the "coral" gene, had a unique blend of "whatever" that produced them........there are so many variables with "snows", and corns in general, that it makes understanding much of their genetics virtually impossible....so in reality, I would have been more accurate to simply state that "HIS" specific triple homo combination is what led to the so called "coral snow" morph. This should help clear up(or confuse even more LOL) if my earlier statement was misleading........best regards, Doug

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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

As I said, I am not trying to cause a controversy. I am just coming back to corns after a prolonged absence (coral did not exist to my knowledge) and I am finding myself lost in all the new genetics. I do appreciate the info and, regardless of genetics, they are nice looking corns.

Rob

Ahhh, it's a good discussion. If cornsnake genetics WERE simple, they wouldn't be as much fun AND we'd have fewer available morphs!

Seems like I remember talking to Brian Barcyck back in the late '90s when he had some hypo snows that were exceptionally pink. He called them "pink snows." (Hence why I tend to use the term pink snows more than coral snows.) They were NOT as extremely pink as Don's current snakes, but they were distinctly different from regular snows. So, was it a differently line, the difference in some "hidden" factor, are just the result of a decade longer of selective breeding for pinker and pinker snows?

It's cool no matter WHAT the cause.....
KJ

>>As I said, I am not trying to cause a controversy. I am just coming back to corns after a prolonged absence (coral did not exist to my knowledge) and I am finding myself lost in all the new genetics. I do appreciate the info and, regardless of genetics, they are nice looking corns.
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>>Rob
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KJUN Snakehaven

center of a "tootsie roll pop"!!,........"the world may NEVER know" !!!!!LOL.............................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Is the fact that when hypomelanism is involved in "the mix", it would tend to greatly reduce, and/or remove the "voided" areas in the animal that would normally be dark(blotch borders, ground color ,etc.....that would allow MORE pink coloration to actually show through, because there would be less "voided" area that gives off the typical light gray/green cast. I would think this could play a significant part in the "coral" look. Again, this is going to vary depending on what individual snakes are used in the composition of the "triple homo" set that is used to propogate the strain,as well as other unknown factors. Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

>>center of a "tootsie roll pop"!!,........"the world may NEVER know" !!!!!LOL.............................Doug
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>>Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

...it is somewhere around 2500 licks to the center of a tootsie roll pop. What can I say....I pledged a fraternity in my younger days.

Sorry about the double post.

Rob

>>>>center of a "tootsie roll pop"!!,........"the world may NEVER know" !!!!!LOL.............................Doug
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>>>>Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

>>...it is somewhere around 2500 licks to the center of a tootsie roll pop. What can I say....I pledged a fraternity in my younger days.

Actually the number of licks is in a linear proportion to the size of ones tongue!!

Hay Peoples, long time no see. Anyone remember me?
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

Isn't that an anery a blizzard?
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1.1 Ghost corns, 1.1 Butter het. stripe corns, 0.1 normal corn
1.1 Tremper Albino Leopard Geckos
1.0 Super dalmation crested, 1.1 Pinstripe crested, 2.1.1 Misc crested
1.0 Ghost Bull, 0.1 Snow bull

The "blizzard" is derived from "anery(B),and not (A) that gives them their different look.........................Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!