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Hi

Apparently if you breed two salmon boas together, half the clutch would be possible super salmons. I thought you would get defenite supers, not possibles?

Does possible mean that you wont be able to distinguish which is which? Or would one be able to notice the super hypos from the hypos?

THX

since someone more knowledgable hasnt answered yet, i'll give it a go. They are all considered possible supers until you breed them out as adults to a normal and prove them as a super. Some say they can distinguish supers but I dont think their is any official way. someone else can chime in any time..... Jon runde
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1.1.1 breeding pair blue tongue skinks w/ juv. offspring
1.0.0 Juv. Albino Bullfrog
0.0.2 Giant Pixie Frog (one juv. and one adult)
1.1.0 Clawed frogs
1.1.0 Albino Clawed frogs
0.0.1 Superlight juv Sulcatta
0.0.2 Fly river turtles
0.0.2 Savannah Monitors (one pastel)
0.2.0 juv pastel Columbian boas
1.1.0 monster pink pastel columbian boas
1.2.0 Hypo Hog boas
1.0.0 Hypo boa
1.1.0 Hypo boa babies, Poss. DH sunglow
0.2.0 Hypo poss. DH sunglow
1.0.0 Coral albino boa (my baby)
and
1.2.0 Pomeranians (the wifes babies)

Hypo x Hypo breeding

25% normal
25% Super Hypo
50% Hypo

It will be hard to tell the difference between the supers and the other hypos there will be a couple standouts that will be probables the rest will be possibles. Hope this helps Vinnie
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Thanks Vinnie Caruso
opinons are like a--holes... everybody has one and they all stink

Those percentages are right, I just wanted to add for the original poster that because the Hypo/Salmon mutation is dominant you can not 100% distinguish Supers from non-supers. So that is why you have Possible Supers.

Thanks everyone thats what i needed to know!

So your salmons and possible super salmons look pretty much the same, but when two possible supers are bred, you may produce some "real" super salmons, animals that have almost no black speckling at all. Does this sound right?

Thanks again!

Well thats a different question all together. Say when you breed your pair of hypos together and you keep 1.1 probable supers. When that pair comes of breeding age you breed them together.
Most likely the whole litter will be hypo because at least one parent should prove to be a super. They will still all be possible supers because you haven't proven both parents as supers yet.
They will also all be cleaner and more colorful due to the selective breeding by picking the nicest from your first litter and breeding them together. They will also be F2 generation babies because you breed a pair of your F1 babies together, unless the pair you plan to breed now are siblings then the babies they produce would be F2 and there babies babies would be F3.
Hopefully I helped you rather than confuse you more.

Ok i understand... i think. Its basically gonna take a good few years of selective breeding to get your super salmons.

Below is a pic i found, its a super salmon is'nt it? This is what i'd strive for

Thanks alot for the replys !!!

That is a beautiful snake. But the dorsal saddles in the forward half of the body look longer front to back than I would expect in a snake with a pair of salmon mutant genes. Only a breeding test would tell what the genes are for sure.

Am I detecting some confusion in the term "super salmon"? Seems to me that in this thread it has been used two ways -- for a snake with two salmon mutant genes however unattractive it looks and for really attractive snakes with either one or two salmon mutant genes.

For what it's worth, mating any two salmon boas (with a salmon mutant gene paired with a normal gene) can produce a boa with two salmon mutant genes. Selective breeding is required to go from a ho-hum group of snakes to some wow! snakes. And that is true whether the snakes involved have one or two salmon mutant genes.

Paul Hollander