Reptile & Amphibian Forums

Welcome to kingsnake.com's message board system. Here you may share and discuss information with others about your favorite reptile and amphibian related topics such as care and feeding, caging requirements, permits and licenses, and more. Launched in 1997, the kingsnake.com message board system is one of the oldest and largest systems on the internet.

Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research
Click here for Dragon Serpents

D. Lamasi calling ALREADY?????

crestygecko Mar 11, 2007 01:24 PM

Hi everyone,

I just purchased 3 D. Lamasi yesterday. They looke very vibrant, eating like pigs, and very active. I was EXTREMELY surprised to hear a buzzing noise coming from their vivarium. I have several other species of darts, so I thought at first that it was a male from one of my other tanks. I went around looking for this sound and it drew me back to my new D. Lamasi. I peeked into the vivarium and saw one on a tall leaf calling. I could not believe my eyes. These frogs are only about 2 1/2 months old. Im very new to "thumbnail" species so, is this normal???? I love the fact that I know for sure that I have a male in there but I was baffled to hear it calling already. Can anyone shed some light????

Thanks

Cresty

Replies (5)

Slaytonp Mar 11, 2007 09:30 PM

Thumbnails in general are pretty precocious, sometimes calling and breeding at 5 or 6 months, but 2 1/2months is really young, still between froglet and juvenile stage. This one may be somewhat older than you think or were told. In any event, this fellow is obviously rather happy in his new home. Keep us informed if he attracts a lady. "Frog porn" is always much more fun to watch than people.
-----
Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

D. auratus blue
D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
D. imitator
D. leucomelas
D. pumilio Bastimentos
D. fantasticus
P. terribilis mint and organe
D. reticulatus
D. castaneoticus
D. azureus
P vittatus
P. lugubris

crestygecko Mar 12, 2007 05:45 PM

FRog POrn???? HHhhhmmmmmmm "Darts gone Wild" sounds interesting. Well I bought a trio of froglets from what I was told. But he is a loud singer and sings all day. Jumping from one branch top to another, singing his hearts content. Would there be any way of telling if the other two are females???? None of them call or make a sound for that matter. let me know Patty, once again your knowledge astounds me.

cresty

Slaytonp Mar 12, 2007 06:28 PM

There's no real way to sex them except by calling and breeding behavior. The only thing to do is watch and see if your loud-mouth attracts any following, or if others begin to call. They are so young, you might not see any reaction to him for several months. They usually breed at 5 to 6 months old. If the caller shuts up, you might look around for eggs, as they usually stop calling while raising the youngsters, then watch and see which other frog is tending and guarding them.

It's nice that you could find a group of them. They are still rather sparse in the hobby.
-----
Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

D. auratus blue
D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
D. imitator
D. leucomelas
D. pumilio Bastimentos
D. fantasticus
P. terribilis mint and organe
D. reticulatus
D. castaneoticus
D. azureus
P vittatus
P. lugubris

crestygecko Mar 13, 2007 05:11 PM

Thanks. I was actually looking through the Kingsnake classified when I spotted "thumbnails 39.99" I could not pass up on the opportunity. They had quite a few when I went and they just look awesome. They remind me so much of the Imitators which I hope to have someday. They rae ferocious eaters and one keeps calling and calling and calling. He hangs around with another one so I hope the other is a female. I have 3 but I could only see 2 most of the time. Do you know if this species takes care of there own eggs??? I dont have bromeliads in there, is there a substitute that I can use??? I heard about film canisters, do I put any water in them or just leave them dry??? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

cresty

Slaytonp Mar 13, 2007 07:59 PM

In the wild, D. lamasi use hollow bamboo stalks for raising tadpoles, but in captivity, they will use either bromes or film canisters. While they are egg feeders and female will deposit eggs for the tadpoles, they are more omnivorous than imitators and require some algae and detritus for grazing. So you might supplement a bit with some finely crushed tadpole bits containing spirula or other algaes, or even crushed fish flake. Just a little bit--don't over-do it. Mount the film canisters at a slight angle on the background, and keep them filled with water by misting and allowing this to overflow a bit to keep it fresh. Like imitators, they will also eat extraneous fruit flies that fall in the water. This is just information from my own research, no first hand experience here, but here is what I DON'T know for sure, but which might be extrapolated from experience with imitators:

The lamasi will lay 2 or perhaps more eggs and guard them. Then one of them (whether the male or female in this case, I do not know, but with imitators, it's the male) will back up onto the eggs and a tad or more will crawl onto his back. He will carry it and deposit it in the chosen nursery water, either a brome axil or canister. The smart imitator Dads deposit only one tadpole per axil or canister, as imitator tadpoles are cannibalistic. If two or more end up in the same place, none will survive, as they will tear each other up. (I could not find whether lamasi are cannibalistic or not, but for safety sake, assume so.) The male will then guard the tads and call the female to feed them with an infertile egg periodically.

D. lamasi are more omnivorous as tads than imitators, and need some algae and detritus to graze upon along with the eggs. So you could probably crush some spirula or other algae source and sprinkle a tiny bit of it in the cup occasionally. They will also attack and devour fruit flies and springtails, etc. that fall into the cup. I've seen one of my imitator tads rip a tiny snail right out of its shell and eat it.

The odd man out in your tank may be either sex, but with imitators, it's usually a male just staying the hell out of the way, while the alpha male does all the work and has all the fun. (In my experience, female imitators always seem to compete for the same guy, ignoring the nerd in the corner.) I've found the female imitators to be much more competitive and aggressive than males, and will even fight over who gets to feed the tadpoles if there's more than one female, whether or not it belongs to her. These fights look very fierce, but no one seems to get hurt or particularly stressed out or intimidated in the long run. They are very athletic ladies, and the real mom usually wins, at least temporarily. The Dad just watches, sitting by the tadpole like a cautious Mormon polygamist. Whether this pertains to D. lamasi, I really don't know. All you can do is provide the things they need and then sit back and enjoy the show.

Other people have reported different scenarios with imitators, so these are just what I've observed. I can't find any source for "enjoying the show" with lamasi, only remarks that they are rather more skittish and shy. Half the fun is letting them do their own thing and reporting your own voyeuristic impressions. If letting them raise their own doesn't work, you can always pull the eggs and do it yourself the next time. It may take them several tries to get it right, so be patient.

Above all, please keep us informed about your experiences.
-----
Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

D. auratus blue
D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
D. imitator
D. leucomelas
D. pumilio Bastimentos
D. fantasticus
P. terribilis mint and organe
D. reticulatus
D. castaneoticus
D. azureus
P vittatus
P. lugubris

Site Tools