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A petshop has this snake for sale.
Is it Sayi or Affinis?
They are selling it as a Bull but I don't necessarily trust their judgement.
Thanks
Kevin

There judgement this time is right! It is a bull snake! I have a beuty just like it. My girl was about that size when i bought her to. How much are they asking for it? I paid 40.00 for mine and at shows they are about that or cheaper. This is mine!

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I would lean twords P.c.affinis personaly. The head appears more narrow then most bulls and the lighter over all color just screams affinis to me.

Im definately no expert but I would sell it as affinis over sayi.

My 2 cents,
Jeremy G

Yor snake is (mainly) a Sonoran gopher snake,

because of:
A triangular snout scale wich is broad as high.
The blotches on the back are in a saddle-form - sayi have squarish or barren forms in blotches.

Maybe there is a little sayi blood in but there are so many local forms of affinis wich differ a little bit from the "norm affinis".

Bernd
www.pinesnake.de

Hey John
I told Kevin that my ID of this animal was affinis. If it has sayi in it, I don't see were. You come from the land of the affinis, what is your ID on this snake.

On another note. Has the Hip played in your area again since the early 2000's and what did you think of the box set?

Northern Andy

I liked the box set, and accompaning video. I liked In between evolution quite a bit especially "Gus, the polar bear" and "it can't be nashville everynight"....oh yeah "one night in Copanhagen", etc....but the new one "World Container" is a bit slow to grow on me......

We are going up to see them in LA in a few weeks and you must admit that the Hip is ALWAYS a great live show....

I keep going back and forth on this snake...texas bull......but then again the rostral is as wide as high.....from what I can see.

I am going to say that it is a texas red bull that some one got at a show and the snake never got red so they took it to the pet store and sold it.......remember that the name affinis is derived from the sonoran gopher's affinity to sayi.

We will never know, so do not breed it and sell the offspring as "bulls" or "gophers". It should turn out to be a fantastic pet snake.

Cheers, JG

Thanks Ginter,
The lesson I have learned here is to stick with breeders you trust and bloodlines you can verify. I'm going to pass on this one.
Cheers,
Kevin

Look like a Sonoran Gopher to me,

Gai.
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1.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher
2.0 W.C. Sonoran Gopher
1.1 Red Bull Snake
1.1 San Diego Gophers (het albino applegate)
2.2 Leucistic Texas ratsnake
1.1 "White Oak" ratsnake
2.3 W.C Okeetee Corn
1.2 Abbt line Okeetee Corn
1.0 Reverse Okeetee Corn
0.1 Creamsicle Corn
1.2 W.C Miami Phase Corn
1.1 Sinaloan Milk
1.0 Albino Honduran Milk
0.1 Anery Honduran Milk
1.1 W.C Mexican Black King
0.2 C.B Mexican Black King
2.0 W.C Cal King
1.1 C.B Cal King
0.1 Durango Mountain King
1.0 Desert King
1.3 Northern pine
1.1 N.J White pine
2.5 Black pine
1.2 Louisiana Pine
0.2 kankakee Bull
2.3 Bearded Dragon
0.0.40 Red Eye Tree frogs
7 Tanks full with African Cichlids.
Many Mice, Rats and feeder Roaches

From those pics, I'd say affinis.

reako45