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Does anyone have information about the anery BRB's?

All that I've seen/heard is about Brian Sharps line so I assume that is the only one currently. Is it a simple recessive? Any interesting or abnormal aspects to it or the animals carrying it?

Also does anyone know if anyone is producing them? I know Dave over at RainbowsRus has some but it does not look like he's producing this year. The only person I know of for sure producing them is Brian Sharp and I'm not sure he is currently since some of the things on his web page make it look like it may not have been updated for a few years.

I am not looking to buy an anery at the moment but a couple years down the line I would like my next BRB to be an anery so I'm trying to gather information ahead of time. As well as satisfy my curiosity since I have seen a couple of pictures of them but not seen/heard much about the anery line.

Mike has an anery that is het. hypo and a hypo that is het. anery lucky bastard lol Mike but don't know if he plans on producing them in the future and of course Dave plans to, then Brian Sharp like you mentioned and Robert Seib of Eastern Indigos are producing now and there is probably more but that's all I know.
imageevent.com/indigos/snakes/newrainbowphotos here is the link to Robert Seib's photo album with his anery's- Hope it helps ya, yes it is recessive.
Bob

Thanks for the info. I assume that at least one of the photo's is mislinked because one of the "anery's" looks exactly like most normals I see.

Had some very nice pictures. Look forward to seeing offspring hopefully this next season.

Anery in BRB's is a simple recessive trait.

I know Mike is working on the ghost, has a couple sets of DH ghost.

Mine are still too young to breed. They are eating and growing like normal BRB's so I'm anticipating breeding them fall/winter 2007/2008.

Brian Sharp is breeding Anery's this year. We just swapped emails a few days ago, I've got dibs on the first male....pick of the litter and all!

My Female Anery, she has outstanding coloring:

>>Does anyone have information about the anery BRB's?
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>>All that I've seen/heard is about Brian Sharps line so I assume that is the only one currently. Is it a simple recessive? Any interesting or abnormal aspects to it or the animals carrying it?
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>>Also does anyone know if anyone is producing them? I know Dave over at RainbowsRus has some but it does not look like he's producing this year. The only person I know of for sure producing them is Brian Sharp and I'm not sure he is currently since some of the things on his web page make it look like it may not have been updated for a few years.
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>>I am not looking to buy an anery at the moment but a couple years down the line I would like my next BRB to be an anery so I'm trying to gather information ahead of time. As well as satisfy my curiosity since I have seen a couple of pictures of them but not seen/heard much about the anery line.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Thanks for giving me the update and congrats on snagging pick of the litter.

I love the appearance of those guys. Thanks for posting the pic's. It's good to hear that we'll have several people producing them in the near future. I knew I had to have one as soon as I saw a pic of one of Brian's but I'm not ready for it yet. Thinking maybee in 08 or 09.

The main reason I was concerned about Brians production status is some of his snake listings still say things like upcoming in 05 lol. Good to hear it's just website not being updated instead of him going through troubles.

Once again, thanks for the info and the great pics.

Sean

Hey Sean,

It is assumed that this is a simple recessive trait, but it has not been proven yet. So far, the only anerys that have been produced have come from normal looking animals assumed to be hets. To my knowlege, no one has bred two anerys together to get an all anery clutch and no one has bred an anery to a normal to get all normal looking hets. If someone knows something I don't (all-together possible), please chime in.

I have done several breeding loans where I've supplied the hypo male and someone else supplied the anery female. We were successful at getting offspring in 2005 and 2006. Two baby anerys (female) were born in the 2006 clutch. Either my hypo male just happens to be carrying an anery gene, or anerythrism follows a more complicated inheritance pattern.

My fingers are crossed that it really is just a simple recessive trait. If it is, I have double hets and will have a chance at producing ghosts in 2008-2009. It would also mean that my hypo male is het for anery. This would make his offspring much more desireable.

I hope this clears things up a little. It really is a very exciting time for BRB morps as they are in their early infancy still. If you have any more questions, please post them or, feel free to e-mail me.

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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

Thanks for the info and the beautiful pic's Mike.

I hope it's a simple recessive from a future breeding perspective but the inquisitive part of me that loves puzzles would almost preffer not lol. Hopefully it is though and you can show us some lovely ghosts in the next couple of years.

Does anyone have any pictures of adult anery's? I curious because the only possible adult anery pics I have seen are on Robert Seib's gallery and all the adults there look fairly normal. Do the anery's only look anery as babies? I assume they maintain at least a decent amount of the anery appearance but I may be wrong.

I'm especially curious about the adults appearance since the primary reason I am not interested in hypo's(other then potentially as investment or for morph developement) is that what I really like in BRB's is high contrast colors(red background with orange saddles in normals). This makes those baby anery's very attractive but how attractive would all depend on how much of the baby appearance they keep as adults.

Thanks for the info Mike and keep us posted on your ghost project.

Sean.

Hey Sean, I absolutely love contrasty brb's myself and know what your talking about. I too got interested in the anery's because of these "silver and taupe beauties" and then found out that they turn to a sh-t brown so to speak but Dave's has nice crescents on his those but is turning brown of course but looks nice nonetheless. They are very expensive to say the least and getting a het with your anery and you done hit the 10k mark or slightly under you know unless you got something to trade but what are we gonna trade to Brian or Dave (I mean come on lol)

The hypos are a nice change of pace away from the normals and I didn't care for yellow or oranges a few months ago but it started to grow on me and if you haven't seen a hypo in person I would suggest you do if you have the chance. The reduced black dorsal outline appears to be a faint brown on mine and spectacular to say the least in person. After seeing a hypo not to many normals are exciting to look at in my eyes even though they have great ones don't get me wrong but they are just not as exciting after seeing hypos (and I don't have no Amber, Phoenix, or Hook either). I recently got a hypo from Mike and it is sooooo beautiful, at least I love her and that's what counts cuz I have to look at her everyday but was fathered from Mike's hypo het. anery so I am very interested in trying to prove her het. for anery and that is one of the reasons I am looking forward to getting a male anery but they are not giving them away by no means, but as soon as I get a clean bill of health I am gonna start working again and saving for an anery and het. cuz them damn bills don't quit coming if you got kids you know.

The perfect anery (bci) in my eyes is silver with a black tail (my favorite snake colors) and that would be awesome to see some on a brb but I was wondering if you saw Jeff's picture of Mr. Santaremo- holy sh-t BATMAN!!!! I think that might be my favorite brb in the WORLD cuz of his colors to my liking and hope he stays that way too. Jeff doesn't live that far from me I think like 6-8 hours and I would go there if he didn't have all those damn guns too haha I hate them things but maybe he can post another pick of him for you if you weren't fortunate enough to see one.

In terms of the color of the anery's most brb's are red I would imagine compared to true orange like Daisy so the anery's are dark in color as adults, so would a orange het. hypo or orange het. anery from Daisy would be awesome for the color of the hypo and anery? I would want one, I don't know about you but definately me. Nice chatting with you Sean.

Dave-is this wordy enough for u?
Bob

That's good to know although a little disappointing lol.

So is there any visible markings or traits in the adult anery's? Or does it only affect the juvenile coloration?

Hey Bob, Yeah was wordy enough for me....

I've seen a pic of Brian's anery and het anery adults together. Tha anery was a burnt orange coloring with white crescents. Just like the hypo's I believe the base color of the snake will make drastic differences in the morph coloration. ie, a "high red" Anery will be different looking than a "high orange" or a normal. Time will tell what those will be, I plan on working them all to find out what makes what. Same with the hypo's. While breeding I'll be keeping detailed lineage records. And plan on giving each of my best animals a shot at making hets. Those babies to be used to make more full morphs to analyse the outcomes.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hey Sean check out this color difference in some hypos on Mike's website. The third pic is absolutely breathtaking of his female holdback and compare that to any other hypo on that page www.tooscaley.com/reptiles/BrazilianRainbowBoas/Available%20Offspring%202006.html
That girl looks like a sunglow compared to an albino for color!!

I like Dave's anery Tawney and I can say that having a brown brb with bleached out crescents is cool and can't wait to prove out my hypo but Daisey might be the luckiest normal female brb in the world. While other normals mate with other normals she might be strictly with the exotics later haha.. Dave I hope Daisy doesn't get pregnant this year so she can go again next year with maybe Mickey or Dumbo (greedy Bob talking Dave)
Like Dave's collection is distinct- a litter of brb's can be very diverse too and as more anery's are produced there will have that diamond in the rough I'm sure.

In the next five years the brb's are gonna be off the charts with things going on. Things I am looking forward to:

1- Seeing Mike produce the first ghost
2- Seeing someone produce the first snow
3- Watching the "Colling" line of striped hypos develop
4- Wondering what is going on with Jeff's Mr. Santaremo
5- Watching someone post pics of their albino brb
6- Seeing Mike make the first triple hets.
7- Having my first litter of snakes

Bob

lol I like your list.

Although from what I've learned in this thread about the anery's it makes me wonder if they will be of any help for producing ghosts or snows. I'm sure they'll be usefull for some combinations but if the anery's change to brown as adults then I don't see it creating the look most people associate with ghost or snow in adults. The other issue with snow is that the only albino rainbows I know of are CRB or CRBxBRB. This is really only a problem for the purist as they look BRB but is still a issue if you want to produce strictly BRB snows.

And I definitely like some of Mikes hypo's appearance, namely that $4500 female, as it does have decent color and contrast. My main problem with the hypo's for my own collection was that all the ones I was seeing looked washed out. I like subdued color's but not the washed out or muddy appearance of most that I saw early on.

I'll try and link a picture of my pair so you can see where my prefferance runs. The orange of them is what I normally like although by no means the best example of the style. Forgive the darkness of the picture, it wasn't that dark when I looked at it before uploading. The background of the orange one is more red then the picture shows but the rest is accurate.

Sean

Sean,

That is a beautiful pair. I can see what you mean by high contrast. Especially on that one in the middle of the pic.

Below is a pic of the female anery that I mated with my hypo male in 2005. She began life looking like the anery in my previous post. So, yes, they do seem to lose their contrast a bit. However, I think this is because of the increase in melanin in the skin as the snake ages. There's certainly no increase in red pigmentation. For this reason, I think the "ghosts" could be really neat looking. The hypo gene should hold the melanin constant and the anery gene will remove the orange. Of course, I am a little biased. When it comes down to it, I can speculate all I want, but the real proof will be when someone finally produces one.

Bob, thanks for the nice comments about the hypo. This gene is coming along very nicely. I can see why people mght say the earlier ones were washed out or a little plain. But, artificial selection will influence these animals and we will have some hot hot hypos in the upcoming years. That female ML06.03 glows more and more with each shed. I have a few here that are very pretty. Maybe, when I have a little more time, I'll put together a nice pic post to show them off a bit.

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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

Sorry for the bad pic. I don't know why it's not coming through.

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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

Don't get me wrong Mike, I didn't mean to imply that the "ghost's" wouldn't be cool looking. I just am not sure what they'll look like. If the anery coloration remained more similar I would know what to expect from having seen ghost morphs in many different species. I'm eagerly awaiting to see what they look like when you are able to get those too us.

Your comment on the red pigment is interesting because while I hadn't thought about it I realize I sort of associated brown with having some red pigment. If they are not getting any red tint then it will be especially interesting to see them with hypo expressed.

Also that pic you posted above looks much lighter then I remember some of the adult anery pics I saw in that gallery I looked at. I actually really like the pic you posted. My favorite is still high contrast but that female has such a nice rich sort of golden or amber color and clean pattern that she's got a beauty all her own.

If you guys can get lines as pretty as that ML06.03 female and the one you posted above established then we'll all have alot of great things to look forward to.

I do so much believe both the anery and hypo lines are influeced by the bas color of the individual. So by outcrossing to various lines, we will find some really cool looks.

This one from Mike has great color and awesome crescents even bullseyes.

This male from Celia at EBN also has really nice coloring.

And of course my "new" hypo line can only add to that mix,

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave how old was Dottie in that second pic do you remember? And thanks in advance
Bob

Don't sweat it Sean. I didn't think you were trying to imply anything. I truely agree with you. We just don't know what we'll get when we cross the hypo and anery genes.

I also agree with something you said in an earlier post. If the anery gene isn't a simple recessive, it will be a lot of fun trying to figure it out.

Thanks again for the positive comments.
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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

That page you looked at on Mike's website had my hypo that was easily overlooked pictured here nothing special

after second shed (Mike's pic again)

my pic with no light no flash

with light last night 3 meals later and 23 days since she has had her third shed (untouched pic)

I haven't really taking to many pics of her yet but plan on taking pics after every shed and posting a little time line as how she progresses but she is twice as good crescent-wise as the pics show but later pics will show her better.
Thanks for looking
Bob

She's definitely pretty. Keep posting pics as she progresses.

Some of my original aversion to the hypo morph for my own collection seems to be mistaken. The problem is/was that the only hypo's I've looked at(don't remember who had em) was a few years back and the adult was a very washed out mostly yellow colored animal with extremely faint markings. Nothing like some of the hypo's you guys have been displaying. Not only was it washed out yellow but it was unicolor other then the line markings. Given my preferences for orange/red with high contrast you can understand why I wouldn't get overly excited. However given what you guys have posted I may need to pick up a hypo female down the road sometime to cross with my orange male.

Thanks again for all the pics and info,

Sean.

That's exactly my point, a high contrast normal can be used to produce high contrast hets. Those high contrast hets may very well produce high contrast hypos!! Selective breeding at it's best. Mike and I have discussed this and nobody really knows what produces what, maybe a high red would produce the brightest hypos (IMO probably so) and of course the high contrast would most likely translate into higher contrast hypos. Only way to find out is by trial and error.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
19.29 BRB
13.18 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats