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Caging an Amarali

JRPhD Mar 16, 2007 10:32 AM

Ok, so I think I am going to make the jump to my first Bolivian BCA after previous years working with Dumerili, Rosy, and BCI’s. I thank Chris Gilbert for some backchannel thoughts on working with this species and welcome additional anecdotal thoughts, particularly as to how they may differ from BCC.

I do have a particular question about housing, as in our new house the only option is to keep the snake in the finished basement. My main question has to deal with temperature. I would say that the basement hovers around 65° year-round. So, I will probably need a pretty solid PVC cage to retain temperature. Based on my experience with Boids, I am planning on going with belly heat.

My main questions are:
1) how do I manage a reasonable temperature gradient of 90° on the warm side and 75° on the cooler side with such a low ambient temperature. I laughed when reading Gus Rentfro’s article, where he commented that most people keep their interior homes between 74° and 84°. Sadly, not in Wisconsin!

2) Without purchasing a thermostat with night drop, it doesn't seem that I will be able to achieve that 10° drop in the evenings. Think that will be a problem?

I will be using my 24” Neodesha for now, but are there any thoughts on reasonably priced and readily accessible PVC cages? Back when I was active in the hobby, the options were Neodesha and Vision. For heat, I was planning on an under tank mat controlled by a Zoomed 500R.

Any other ideas that might be more practical or will allow for future expansion would be appreciated.
Thanks all,
Jon

Replies (3)

JungleHabitats Mar 16, 2007 10:50 AM

One thing to keep in mind with belly heat you can achieve the high temp you need n problem at all , the biggest issue will be ambient air temps . While belly heat will heat a cage it also quickly looses heat when the doors opened where with a Radiant heat panel in the cage you are constantly warming the air that passes under the unit ( mounted on the ceiling of the cage ) Also substrates or lack there of in cages will greatly change the temps the cages hold and how well they hold them in when a door is opened . A cage in a cooler room with only newspaper in it for substrates will be a colder cage then a cage beside it setup identical but having aspen bedding or even cypress bedding as these will build up and hold heat making the cage warmer in the end result then a cage with nothing to build heat mass up
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JRPhD Mar 16, 2007 12:48 PM

Thank you for the thought provoking reply. What if I had both belly heat and a radiant panel and one of them (not sure which) was controlled by the thermostat to regulate the daytime temp, while one stayed on all the time. And then I used a timer to shut off the thermostat and associated heating element during the night, which would then leave only one of the heaters on, thereby creating a nighttime drop?
Thoughts?
Jon

markg Mar 16, 2007 01:25 PM

I'll add to what JungleHabitatsPlastics told you (he makes very nice caging, BTW)..

I've kept BCI in cold rooms just like you mention. I found that using only belly heat for what will become a large mass of snake is not real effective when the air in the cage is cool.

I ended up using a cage with two light fixtures wired in parallel. During Winter I used a 60 watt red heat bulb in one socket and a 40 watt in the other, both controlled by a proportional controller. This kept the air in the cage in the 75-80 range. Then I used a heat pad in the cage (Kane heat mat) and used a dimmer on that.

During Summer I didn't need the lights on, and I only used the heat pad.

Later I replaced the light fixtures with a single radiant heat panel.

I just soaked the snake once a week or whenever needed to hydrate him, since the overhead heaters (and heat pad for that matter) dry out the air in the cage somewhat.
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Mark

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