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some scientists now believe that the behavior that has been called animals' sexual blunders could be an important force in their evolution

You can find the artical at the link below

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070314-hybrids.html

Paul.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Interesting article but fails to point out one critical point .... we all know that aniamls can and do produce new species "hybrids" when bred to a similier "type of animal" .. snake to snake, lizard to lizard, dog to dog, etc ... but no where in nature do we see "new types" of animals being created by "hybrids" ... try breeding your snakes to your lizards and it just doesn't work .... so micro "evolution" yes, but the rest is just an "unproven theory" not testable, not repeatable and certainly not proven ... thats why is called a "theory".

Anyway, as long as people start to appricate hybrid snakes I'm happy.

cheers, John
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The reason you don't fly off into space when you step out your front door in the morning has to do with a "Theory" as well-the "Theory of Gravity".

NOTHING in science is ever "proven"-and only a non-scientist would ever use the term. But within the realm of Biology (and Cosmology, Biochemistry, Astrophysics, etc..), no working hypothesis is better supported or as widely accepted as Evolution! Every bit as much, in fact, as gravity.

Brad Chambers

Hey Brad, if gravity is a "theory" try stepping off a building ... no thats reality .... it is observable, repeatable and measurable .... like real science ...on the other hand "the theory of evolution" is none of the above hence its called a theory .... and thats why if you study evolution you will quickly realize, the "facts" keep on changing every few years as its not proven, its simply a unproven belief system, taught as "fact" by those who can't bear to think of an alternative .... hardly science (unless you beleive in UFOs as well)
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Then why is this "belief system", as you call it, taught as fact in basically ALL institutions of higher learning (save a very few strictly religious colleges) worldwide? Why is Evolution accepted by ALL accredited scientific organization? And why is there NO alternative theory with ANY substantial scientific support (outside of the religious community)?

If you want certainty, go to your priest, rabbi, ministor, monk, shaman, or witch doctor-they'll be happy to provide it. But that isn't what science is about. Science is about looking at the universe from an unbiased perspective, and evaluating it based on hard evidence-not how we wish it to be.

Brad Chambers

A scientific theory is much different than a theory in other disciplines. Nothing in science is ever "proven" but evidence for a hypothesis can become so convincing that it becomes a theory. Evolution is a real, testable, part of science. It is every bit as real as gravity, believe me. Evolution does not require faith, as is often claimed. The evidence supports it wholly, and no evidence against it holds an ounce of water when put up to the rigors of science.

Often evolutionary theory is rejected by fundamental religious folks due to its being at odds with Genesis. The Bible makes no reference to the basic principles of physics or chemistry, yet these are not often questioned by anti-evolutionists. Evolutionary theory does NOT contradict any of the important tenants of religion. The basic moral principles meant to be taught in the Bible have nothing to do with science.

Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution.

"A scientific theory is much different than a theory in other disciplines."

OK. I'll grant you that one.

"Nothing in science is ever "proven" but evidence for a hypothesis can become so convincing that it becomes a theory."

That's true, only in reverse for Darwinism. A theory has become so convincing that it became evidence.

"Evolution is a real, testable, part of science."

It is not possible for a DNA sequence to have sprung up by accident from some primordeal soup AND then to have the language interpreter spring up from the same soup to READ the DNA and THEN for the tiny "machines" to have assembled themselves purely by chance and made life and THEN.....for it to have happened again. It violates the Second law of thermodynamics and cannot happen. Not even once. The world and everything in it is spiralling towards entropy.

Therefore, "Evolution" (ie, bacteria to humans evolution, not to be confused with the Christian idea of Natural Selection) is neither real OR testable.

"It is every bit as real as gravity, believe me."

I believe you. Gravity is real.

"Evolution does not require faith, as is often claimed.
The evidence supports it wholly, and no evidence against it holds an ounce of water when put up to the rigors of science."

I certainly don't want to jeapordize your "faith", just give some food for thought here. The burden of proof is NOT to dis-prove evolution, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove it ever happened and you cannot because it isn't possible.

The proof for creation is in the creation itself. It's observable and it is the original basis for science.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 1:20-25

"Often evolutionary theory is rejected by fundamental religious folks due to its being at odds with Genesis. The Bible makes no reference to the basic principles of physics or chemistry, yet these are not often questioned by anti-evolutionists."

Actually, ANYTHING that is at odds with the historical record of what the Lord has done will have to be questioned because the Bible is completely true. See, THAT's the problem in a nutshell. Over time, people have stopped believing the historical record and turned away from GOD.

Why would a christian have to question anything else? We trust that science is reliable. ALL of the bad science was born from Darwin's warped ideas. He destroyed accountability. If man is just muck and is not accountable to a Holy God, then Man makes his OWN rules, no more morals. No need for them. left-hand path satanism is based on doing whatever feels good. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" or whatever Crowley's ridiculous moral code says.....

"Evolutionary theory does NOT contradict any of the important tenants of religion. The basic moral principles meant to be taught in the Bible have nothing to do with science."

You couldn't be more wrong here if you tried. Once you poke holes in a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, it opens up the door to begin to "interpret" other parts of scripture. It destroys the gospel message that Jesus Christ died on a tree 2,000 years ago to bear the burden of sins. Everyone's sins. Yours and mine.

It's also how cults are formed. Many cults have sprung up from one verse taken out of context.

"Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution."

Ask Carolus Linnaeus that. What would he say?

"The Earth's creation is the glory of God, as seen from the works of Nature by Man alone."

I will pray for you and remember that the one GOD loves you as we are all his creation. He waits with open arms for all to come to Him.

Chris

I have neither the time nor desire to debate this further with you. My mind is open. I prefer to live outside of a contradictory box and make an attempt to understand the world around me. I see no conflict between religion and science. To say that the theory has become the proof is flat wrong - the evidence is the evidence; both overwhelming and compelling. Evolution is no longer a scientific debate. Understanding the workings of life fascinates and drives me. I've said nothing to desecrate what I consider to be the real messages delivered by christian scripture. This is not the place for a religious debate and my post was not meant to invoke one. Lets get back to the herps. Any pics of your animals?
-Cole

Not a hybrid, but often hybridized - mex mex

Don't be so hostile....

Remember, if "acceptance" was the rule as you seem to think, then where would snake enthusiasts go?

Chris

.. The challenge with many who trash the Bible is they have no idea what it actually says (because they have never read it) and most of them have never studied evolution either (apart from being spoon fed at collage and accepting blindly) ... so they have never actually "thought" about how they happen to be here ... the simple fact is you need way more "blind faith and wild imagination" to believe evolution (atom soup to humans) actually works and that it is "proven" ...

I would actually like someone to show me one actual reptile mutation which "adds" data rather than "subtracting" data .... so far of the hundreds of breeders and herpetologists I've spoken and discussed this with over the last 20 years, I haven't found one ... should make some folks think ...

btw, nice snake too.

Here is one of mine:

cheers, John

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I didn't see this post when I made the one above! Awesome leonis man!!! That snake is amazing.
-Cole

Here is a couple more

Gravity is a theory because we don't know what causes it. "waves" are assumed, but not proven. Nothing in the bible can be proven as fact (yes, I've read it. Historical fiction at best.) Would you also give up all current medical theory/fact and rely on biblical teachings to heal and treat injuries? It's been proven that praying has no affect on a patient's well being. ALL religious beliefs affect your rational thought processes by looking at them through primitive filters. You need to free your mind from those primitive thought processes and everything else (evolution included) will begin to make sense. People who do not understand evolution either have not had it explained to them properly, or else simply lack the mental faculties to comprehend it.
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My error. The third and usually most important (and common) reason why someone can't accept evolution is that it conflicts with religious beliefs taught to them as a child. If the bible is wrong there (as in many places) then all of it would have to be wrong, and that simply can't be.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

Jesus is a historical figure as proved by some 40 extra-biblical texts.

Some may say that the Bible cannot be trusted as a historical proof.

They either don't realize or just forgot that it is actually comprised of 66 letters and sacred texts written over several continents and with in a 2,000 year span of time (proven by your own science - can't have iot both ways).

It isn't "A" book, per se. It is lots and lots of texts and ancient documents that somehow seem to be interlocked and all tell the genealogy of the historical figure of Jesus the Christ. Yes, even the OT.

Judasism is the oldest religion. That's it. The jews (read: Israelites when they were all one people - 12 tribes) prayed to Elohym "YHWH", the only God. When they couldn't follow the rules, God sent his Son Jesus to be that sacrificial lamb for all of us Jews and gentiles alike.

He dieds on a cross to pay the penalty we have all inherited.

I realize that humanism wants us all to say that we are the captains of our own ship.

Having to be ultimately responsible for our actions and accountable to God is a tough thing to swallow.

But it's true.

God loves you.

Chris

Can you explain in greater detail, please?

Thank you,

Chris

that is one hot looking thayeri. Is it a cross or pure? Only ask because I know you keep both strains.

It's pure. No hybridization.

Chris