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You know those little brown aquatic frogs you can buy for a few bucks at wal-mart or pet stores, if you have a pond or something in your PDF vivarium, could you keep the aquatic frogs in it?

-Brock

No other frogs than the type of PDF you have should be kept with any PDF. Reasons of: Stress, Aggression, and some toxicities (Fire-belly toad, i.e.). Research this forum for PDF compatibility and you will see many many many other posts with the same question and same answer.

Cliff

>>You know those little brown aquatic frogs you can buy for a few bucks at wal-mart or pet stores, if you have a pond or something in your PDF vivarium, could you keep the aquatic frogs in it?
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>>-Brock
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Thanks and Gig Em,
Cliff
0.2.1 Sipiwlini Tinc's

I just saw that you probably meant the little fully aquatic frogs.. i think they are called African-Claw Frogs or something similar. My new answer is No because of the depth of water required for those frogs. PDF's have a very high possibility of drowning, while the other frogs will need too deep of water than a PDF can take. Hope this helps.

Cliff

>>No other frogs than the type of PDF you have should be kept with any PDF. Reasons of: Stress, Aggression, and some toxicities (Fire-belly toad, i.e.). Research this forum for PDF compatibility and you will see many many many other posts with the same question and same answer.
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>>Cliff
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>>>>You know those little brown aquatic frogs you can buy for a few bucks at wal-mart or pet stores, if you have a pond or something in your PDF vivarium, could you keep the aquatic frogs in it?
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>>>>-Brock
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>>Thanks and Gig Em,
>>Cliff
>>0.2.1 Sipiwlini Tinc's
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Thanks and Gig Em,
Cliff
0.2.1 Sipiwlini Tinc's

np

Generally, mixing species isn't good for ten thousand reasons. But I have a paludarium-- combination of aquarium/vivarium with some mellow small fish and the African Dwarf frogs, (not African Clawed Frogs, which get a lot bigger and can haul themselves onto the land,) in the aquarium portion and Dendrobates galactonotus on the land portions. PDF's can swim, although they don't do it by choice. As long as you have an easy egress for them such as submerged logs going to the land portion, or an easy bank to climb, they won't drown if they fall in by accident, or in the case of my galacs, leap in after a fruit fly escapee or even after a tiny fish fry. They are able to get right back out again fast. I wouldn't combine an aquarium with thumbnails, but the big guys are strong, short-spurt swimmers, perfectly able to swim to safety and climb out if there is a place to do it. It takes some planning, but it can be done, and has worked for me.

As long as you keep the water quality up in the aquarium section, just as you would a tropical aquarium set-up, it works. Mine has filters, two waterfalls, a lagoon with aerial ways for the frogs to go back and forth from one land section to another.

The African Dwarf Frogs require a water depth of from 7 to 12 inches, so you will need a big tank (mine is 135 gallons) to accommodate both. The nice part of it is that the aquarium with the controlled heater, keeps the land temperatures stable winter and summer, and contributes humidity.

So it is possible to mix species, but you essentially need two different environments in the same set up. I would admonish you to get some experience first, but that would be hypocritical, because my very first set up was the combination I put together before I really had much information on darts except a few care sheets, and the breeder to tell me to be sure to put in an egress in case the PDF's fell in. It is ironically perhaps, my most successful set-up, and the most interesting, although I remain on the side of non-mixers in general. When I first introduced the galacs to this tank from their quarantine nursery, the first thing they did in their excitement to explore was fall into the water, then swim back out to the nearest egress.

Dogma always has a weakness somewhere.

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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

If your pond is shallow, 3-4 inches, it isn't deep enough for the African Dwarfs and your PFD's may drown in it if they fall in while wrestling. In a deeper aquarium, they will let go and each swim to the egress. In a more shallow situation, one may be able to breathe and still hold the other under the water surface. So either make it deep, or just a trickle over stones.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

I have found my leucomelas hiding under a rock in my small water section. it is about 4 inches deep and slopes in. I have seen 1 or 2 of them jumping in and out of the water. they seem to enjoy this. they have been doing this for a good year and a half. so its nothing new. anyone else notice this behavior? As far as the mixing, I wouldnt recommend it just like everyone else, although I see nothing wrong with water sections as long as there is a way out.

I would suggest avoiding a mixed species tank such as this. ACF's and DF's require such different environments that you would be taking the risk that one or both frogs might not recieve the special attention they need. Just the sheer possibility of a frog suffering should be enough to make a person stop and ask "am I considering what is the BEST way to suit this animal and it's well-being." In my opinion, mixing isn't in the frog's best interests.
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Randy
Lawrence, Kansas
1.1 Azureus
1.1 Cobalt
1.1 Fantasticus
2.2 Bastimentos Pumilio
2.4.1 Bri Bri Pumilio