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mites.....STILL!!!!

xblackheart Mar 23, 2007 01:25 PM

ok, so it has been hard to deal with the mites during breeding season. About half my adult collection was exposed (many before I knew a friends snake brought the mites in). I have been able to get a handle on it and no one is seriously infested. I still find a mite here or there, though. When all my snakes have mated, I am going to soak them all and treat them.
My question is, if I take them all out of the snake room, can I use a fogger or bomb in the room to kill whats on the cages? That seems to be the hardest thing to get rid of.
I figure if I let it air out for a da before putting them back. Will the bomb (fogger) kill the mites?
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sean1976 Mar 23, 2007 01:44 PM

...unless foggers/bombs have changed since last I used one or you are talking about a special one for reptile rooms then it won't work.

When I used them in the past they leave a residue on everything that comes into contact with the air. This is why you have to before hand remove anything(like dishes) that you do not want to have to totally scrub clean and disinfect. I expect that a fogger/bomb would leave an extremely toxic to reptiles residue on the enclosures.

I have no first hand experience with mites but I would suggest seeking a more topical solution that can be easily removed from the enclosures once the mites are killed. ie something that safely evaporates or rinses away without leaving toxic residue, assuming such exists. I can't really suggest anything without knowing specifically what kills mites.

Good luck

Sean.

phiber_optikx Mar 23, 2007 02:18 PM

I just used reptile relief and it worked wonderfully. You can (or could) pick it up at petsmart. There are a few places online that cary it too. I picked it up because my petsmart was going to stop carrying it so it was on sale for like $2. The best thing about it is that it is completely harmless to your snakes. They could drink it and be fine (don't try this though) Supposedly if I remember correctly it deteriorates the exoskeleton of the mites and ticks and they just pop....
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PHLdyPayne Mar 23, 2007 02:24 PM

Reptile Relief weakens the natural protective exoskeleton of mites, which allows other harmful things to get inside and kill the mites (or maybe they just pop as internal pressures are no longer held in by the exoskeleton).

Another great product for mites that is safe to spray all over the snake room, both inside and out of cages, is Provent a Mite. I have used this and after 2 treatments (one treatment a month for two months) and solved my mite problem completely. If you still see a few more mites, continue treatment for another month or two. May have to do this if you have a particularly heavy infestation. I also recommend cleaning all your cages, sterilize them (bleach/water solution works well), air them out, spray with PAM, let dry, put you snakes back in with clean water bowl. Remove any bedding stored in the snake room (if this is damp at all in the bag, toss it. Mites like to lay eggs in damp warm areas. You don't want your substrate to be a breeding ground for more mites.)

To prevent new infestations, I spray the cages of any new snake that comes into my collection (another great reason for quarantine, can contain a mite problem to just one snake, before the little buggers migrate off the snake and lay eggs elsewhere).

If you have any feeder insects or pet insects, move them away from where you are spraying (ie if you are breeding crickets for something in the snake room, take them out of the snake room till after you finished treating for mites (so with Provent a mite, don't bring the crickets back into the room till after the second month is over).
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xblackheart Mar 23, 2007 05:40 PM

I have been using this stuff and it works the best out of everything. But, can't seem to totally eliminate the problem.
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corrinna Apr 05, 2007 12:12 PM

HI I was just cruising around the site and saw you hav a problem with mites and cant seem to totally get rid of them, I have always used good old fashion mineral oil, you can get it at almost any store for a couple a bucks and this stuff completely suffocates the mites and their eggs causing death in a matter of hours, the oil will periate the mites extoskeleton and drowns them out, it is totally safe to use on the entire enclosure as well as food/water dishes and glass they only thing is that it takes a bit a scrubbing to remove it from any surface except skin and scales

KJUN Mar 23, 2007 03:23 PM

Why not just buy some preven-a-mite, treat all of the substrate, and solve the problem quickly and cheaply "for good?" In the future, treat ALL substrate for ALL new snakes and avoid this problem from the start.

I'm not sure what the other posters recommend but in well over a decade with colonies ranging from a few up to over 450 adult breeders, I've found nothing nearly as SAFE as Provent-a-Mite (when used properly, of course) . and nothing is MORE effective. Price per can is a little high, but cans last a long time and price per TREATMENT is very low. I've got a can inside and a can or two in each of my buildings. I only treat new snakes (once), and I haven't seen a mite in my colony since I started using it over 5 years ago. That's saying something.


KJ
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xblackheart Mar 23, 2007 05:47 PM

I was using the deflea reptile relief on the snakes and proventamite on the cages, that seemed to get rid of most of the mites. Because of breeding season, I had to wipe all the sprays off my females (because the males wanted nothing to do with them while they smelled like mite spray). Introducing snakes from one inclosure to another for mating didn't help. Like I said, there are not many left, but I was just wondering if a one time fogger would work. Sounds like it wont.
I have all the snakes on newspaper and have been treating off and on for some time now. I have one more pair of snakes to breed and then I think I am going to spend lots of time cleaning every cage in my collection. Seems to be about the only way at this point that I will get rid of the problem.
Oh, and provent a mite is NOT cheap. lol.
When you have a set up like below, mites are not easy to get rid of.

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KJUN Mar 23, 2007 06:23 PM

LOL. It is cheaper than having mites! Actually, it looks like you have a rather small collection, and if I could do it with over 450 breeders, I think it can be done. I also think you missed the point - treat the SUBSTRATE and it won't affect breeding (it never has with us) and it kills mites IN THE CAGE whether you are moving snakes around for breeding purposes or not. From your website, it really does sound like one can of it would treat all of the cages. That's only roughly the price of one or two normal cornsnake babies. I don't think the price of 1/10th or less of the cheapest cornsnake's babies is too much to keep breeders healthy.....lol. I don't like the guy that owns the company that makes it (actually, I dislike him a good bit), but the darn products WORKS too easily for me to not give him my hard-earned cash.

If you want optimum benefit from the provent-a-mite, move them to aspen shavings and don't change it - just spot clean - for at least a month. Retreat 30 days later on new or same shavings. If you apply the Proven-a-mite correctly and don't have another source of re-infection, your problem will be solved. It isn't as effective on newspaper.

I'd suggest spraying to corners of those glass cages, too, to keill any mites as soon as they attach from attached eggs.

KJ

>>I was using the deflea reptile relief on the snakes and proventamite on the cages, that seemed to get rid of most of the mites. Because of breeding season, I had to wipe all the sprays off my females (because the males wanted nothing to do with them while they smelled like mite spray). Introducing snakes from one inclosure to another for mating didn't help. Like I said, there are not many left, but I was just wondering if a one time fogger would work. Sounds like it wont.
>>I have all the snakes on newspaper and have been treating off and on for some time now. I have one more pair of snakes to breed and then I think I am going to spend lots of time cleaning every cage in my collection. Seems to be about the only way at this point that I will get rid of the problem.
>>Oh, and provent a mite is NOT cheap. lol.
>>When you have a set up like below, mites are not easy to get rid of.
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xblackheart Mar 23, 2007 07:34 PM

lol. I guess compared to your collection, it is small. I have about 70 snakes. I have been lucky enough to keep the mites out of my hatchling racks and my yearling racks.
I was told to remove the snakes from the aspen!! thats why I have them on newspaper.
I know the proventamite says it works for a month, but I'd use it in a cage, then spray the snake with the de flea reptile relief (proventamite is not supposed to be used directly on the snake from what I hear). But then I'd find a mite on the snake a few days later and have to clean the cage all over again. I have gone through two cans in about a month or so.
Someone mentioned that RID is the same. I checked the labels and the active ingredients are the same, but neither list the non-active ingredients. Anyone have bad reactions to RID?
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Gsc Mar 23, 2007 08:34 PM

I have to agree with KJUN... Provent-A-Mite is awesome! I spray all my bedding for any incoming snakes... haven't had mite problems in YEARS (knock on wood).

I've worked in pet stores since I was 15.... I'm now 30 and have had snakes all my life.... I've tried everything to get rid of mites.. from mineral oil rub downs with chlorex cage wipe downs, rid lice treatment, No pest strips, Sevens dust, etc....I was so excited with that Reptile Relief came out...but it never really worked...People ALWAYS come in pet store looking for answers to mite problems. I've tried it all and almost all were dangerous to the animals if not done correctly. There was even a cat litter looking bedding that came out YEARS BACK that would "dry" the mite out...it was heavy and expensive... I tried it...it seemed to work... but was hard and VERY expensive to get (MANY times more that Provent-a-mite and would only fill a few cages per bag).

Black Knight spray worked great...you could spray it directly on the animals.... they no longer sell it...you had to be careful that animals weren't in shed (there were a few animal deaths from it and the best they figured I think is that the animals were shedding).

Spend a day changing out bedding...wiping down cages and them spray the cages with PROVENT-A-MITE...let it dry and put your animals back... Retreat like KJ said... it should work... alot easier that dealing with all the "homemade remedies".

Good luck...

Graham

KJUN Mar 23, 2007 10:06 PM

Shouldn't you be working? LOL.
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Gsc Mar 23, 2007 10:49 PM

I'm working...kinda...Since I have to be up all night, you gotta pace yourself with work. lol... Just keeping an eye on the fourms (ie bored).

Shouldn't you be sleeping?

KJUN Mar 24, 2007 05:39 AM

>>Shouldn't you be sleeping?

Yeah, I should have been.....lol. I was up, though, trying to get that last female ZigZag female Okeetee to breed with the male. The male finally showed some interest, but he couldn't match up with her because of those deposits. It was pissing me off so much that I was tempted to grab a needle and syringe to see if I could get rid of those deposits....lol. Still, I had no intention of separating them the one time that male showed interest!

BUT, they finally hooked up. Assuming we get good eggs from one female or the other, that bloodline can get continued. Finally.

KJ
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KJUN Mar 23, 2007 10:04 PM

>>lol. I guess compared to your collection, it is small. I have about 70 snakes. I have been lucky enough to keep the mites out of my hatchling racks and my yearling racks.

70 isn't small by any means. I was just pointing out it CAN be done. I'm not nearly that large anymore. That size was back when I used snakes to help pay my way through college as an undergrad. Now it's a hobby, and I think I'm staying under 175 at the time being.

>>I was told to remove the snakes from the aspen!! thats why I have them on newspaper.

If you aren't using prevent-a-mite, I would agree. BUT, that is the "old school" way of getting rid of them. That's why it USED to be so hard to get rid of mites. You CAN'T clean enough to get rid of all the eggs. Spraying the litter with the prevent-a-mite makes the litter the agent to help kill the mites. It's good to have when trated properly. If you aren't using prevent-a-mite, get rid of the shavings. That's good advice.

>>I know the proventamite says it works for a month, but I'd use it in a cage, then spray the snake with the de flea reptile relief (proventamite is not supposed to be used directly on the snake from what I hear).

Not to belabor a point, but you don't need to put ANYTHING directly on the snake if you use the prevent-a-mite properly. I've received snakes loaded in mites (in the past). One treatment of the litter, and the mitres were GONE each time. THAT is what convinced me.

> But then I'd find a mite on the snake a few days later and have to clean the cage all over again. I have gone through two cans in about a month or so.

That's where yo messed up. The mites don't die all at once. If you treat the cage with prevent-a-mite properly, don't worry about the mite you see. It's dead and don't know it. Don't get rid of the substrate. That was probably one at a stage prevent-a-mite isn't designed to kill.....or it just hadn't come into contact with the litter yet because it was under the edge of a scale or something. Seriously, I can't stress this enough. If you still see mites after the second treatment (31 days later with new substrate in a cleaned cage), you either didn't treat it right OR you have an outside source of infection. PLUS, in addition to the litter, spray the racks, carpet, whatever with the stuff. Make sure to reduce the chance of secondary re-infection like no other method can.

>>Someone mentioned that RID is the same. I checked the labels and the active ingredients are the same, but neither list the non-active ingredients. Anyone have bad reactions to RID?

The active ingredient is ALMOST the same. RID and prevent-a-mite, if I remember correctly, are cis and trans versions of the same molecules. I don't remember which is which, but the prevent-a-mite (trans, I think, but I don't remember for sure) is the version that is MUCH safer for your snake. So, it is NOT the same molecule, but is made up of the same atoms put together in the same order, except as the MIRROR image of the RID molecule.

Don't ask me why that makes one safer for your snakes, but their testing to allow them to list the insecticide as safe for reptiles shows that it is safer. I've lost snakes to most of the OTHER methods, but NEVER to prevent-a-mite. I've used it more than all the other methods combined, too, since I treat all new snakes JUST in case....lol.

KJ
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xblackheart Mar 24, 2007 01:21 AM

hey, thanks for the feedback. It is just so hard to believe that just spraying the bedding will kill the mite problem. Especially with all the work I have done and still no definite cure. But, if what you say is true, I have been working against myself. I will order a few more cans of proventamite, put the aspen back and try it your way.
Thanks for the info.
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mike17l Mar 24, 2007 10:41 AM

I have been treating mites as well as preventing mites in the same way KJ has reccomended (treat the aspen, not the snake) and have not had any mite problems since I started doing it that way.
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xblackheart Mar 24, 2007 04:20 PM

hey, thanks for the info. Glad to know it is not just working for one person! lol.
spraying the aspen has a sound idea to it. Does the smell linger? Or does airing it out for a few hours work fine?
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KJUN Mar 24, 2007 06:24 PM

Remove the snake and the water bowl, spray it well as directed, mix up the litter , let it air out and dry for a minute or so (I fan the cage with an extra cage lid during this time). Make sure the liter is DRY, but that doesn't take long. It isn't like you are wetting the litter or anything.

Anyway, once dried, it is safe to put the snake back and return the water. The only thing dangerous, really, are the fumes. That's why I fan it out for about 30 seconds. There shouldn't be hardly ANY smell at all. I never put my face in the cage, but I never really noticed any smell once I fan out the fumes for ~30 seconds or so.
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xblackheart Mar 24, 2007 06:25 PM

not that I did not trust KJUN. lol I was still going to try it, but its just reassuring
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Rivets55 Mar 27, 2007 11:06 PM

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DeHart Mar 25, 2007 01:10 AM

We recently picked up an adult corn snake from someone for a friend of ours and it was infested with mites. Ordinarily the product mentioned that causes ionic bonding in arthropods (makes them pop) would be the thing to use...we didn't have any. So, I put the snake in a critter-keeper with wood shavings dusted with Wal-Mart cat flea powder (Pyrethrins--pretty non toxic to reptiles), and sat the critter keeper in a sterlite tub with 1/4 inches of water with Sargeant's dog flea & tick shampoo (Permethrin) in it. Nothing got across the "moat" alive and it appears that all of the mites are dead. I have used the weaker strength Sevin garden dust in the past with no noticeable affects to reptiles, although I'd prefer not to use anything toxic especially during pregnancy. I also think if you can find a brand of aerosol flying insect spray with Pyrethrins (NOT permethrin) that it would be good to fog the room with (Raid used to be pyrethrins, but is not anymore---I've used it in the same room with S. Am. Blaberus ssp. cockroach tanks with no effect on those so I doubt it'd hurt the reptiles); and I've used Raid Flea Carpet Spray to mist lightly under subtrate and fog the room with no noticeable ill effects. We have dogs in the house, so even if there's no mite problem we continuously have to do flea prevention. Anything you use should not get into the water...if you actually dust a snake, the water needs to be removed so it doesn't crawl through it then drink it; and I recommend bathing/rinsing the snake prior to returning the water supply.

KJUN Mar 25, 2007 11:29 AM

Just for the record, it is technically illegal to use insecticides except according to label instructions. Sooooo, how does it feel to be a criminal in the eyes of Big Brother? LOL.
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Sharkman20 Mar 25, 2007 04:05 AM

Get proventamite for the cage and reptile relief for the snake. That gives the mites absolutely nowhere to hide.

When I got my mangrove snake he was infested pretty bad with mites so I ordered a can of proventamite and reptile relief. What I would do is since I was keeping the snake in a rubbermaid tub until my custom cage was built was I would fill up my bathtub with scalding hot water and soak the tub in there to kill any mites or eggs then spray it and the hide box down with proventamite. While I was letting that dry I would use a smaller container to give the snake a good soak which drowns a lot of the mites on the snake on it's own. After that I would spray the reptile relief on the snake and lay down paper towels for substrate and put just a hide box and a water dish inside the tub and put the snake back in. After a few days there were tons of dead mites inside the tub so I would throw away the paper towels, sterilize the tub again and respray everything, soak the snake, spray the reptile relief again, etc and I would repeat that every 5 days or so. All of the mites were dead and gone after about 15 days and I haven't seen a single one since then.

Snakehunter101 Mar 25, 2007 03:39 PM

Use pam cooking spray and clean out all the cages. I promise the snakes will not be hurt at all.

Emeraldtreeboa23 Mar 25, 2007 09:57 PM

I have emerald tree boas and i do not use any harmful toxic sparys on them. I use pam like the cooking spray to kill the mites on the snakes and then i use a steam cleaner on their cages. The mites die on contact to the burning hot steam it is so hot that i got a third degree burn from putting my hand in front of it to make sure it was hot lol i wont do that again. Then i just vacum my carpet very well to get all the mites up.

phflame Mar 27, 2007 12:14 PM

make sure to take that bag outside and dump it in the trash. Another good idea is to put mothballs in the bag before vacuuming, but I would suggest removing any animals from the room, to prevent any problems with the mothballs. Either way, dispose of the bag (and any mite eggs) immediately after vacuuming.
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xblackheart Mar 28, 2007 12:25 AM

I have sevin dust around the edges of all my tanks. I hope that is stopping the cage to cage transfer.
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seductivereptile Mar 30, 2007 05:24 PM

I bought a frilled dragon and it turned out she had snake mites hiding in her frill. I started reading everything I could get my hands on and trying to rid her of them, without killing her in the process. I stumbled on this product from JurassiPet, its named Jurassi Mite and its totally natural. I basically used newspaper in the enclosure, cleaned the enclosure with a product that I/veterinarians use frequently by the name of OdoBan (walmart/sams club) just dilute (with water) the pre-mixed spray bottle mixture by half and spray down (soak it really wet) the enclosure, let it set for about 10 mins and rinse with water, air out the room while doing this, just to make sure the fumes don't collect, let everything air dry. I also used a bare minimum of furniture and rocks are a super place for mites to reproduce. I sprayed the furniture/rocks and treated the animal with the Jurassi Mite spray, I used a q-tip and to apply in the hard to reach areas of her frill and sprayed my hands with the mite spray then applied it to the other areas of her body, this way the mist would be controlled. It actually worked, very fast, with in a month it was over!! I hope this helps you, I only had to treat one animal. If you have any questions you can email me at n2snakes@aol.com, put MITES in the subject line, I will be glad to try to help you along the way. I am not sure how snakes will react to this treatment so I can't make any guarantees, but it worked for my frilled dragon.

partygod84 Mar 30, 2007 11:33 PM

Hey,
I've so far have delt with mites twice. Always with bringing in new animals to my collection. I have tried a whole bunch of things, Provent-a-Mite, Reptile Relief, Mite-off, and Soaking.
To be honest I have had the most success with the reptile relief. It has by far been the most effective. The stuff is so safe that you can spray it directly on the reptile. You can even make a diluted bath and soak your animals with it. Treat your cage etc. I hope this helps!
Thanks,
Keith

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