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"Celestial Boas": A new name suggestion for a new morph that may be announced this year...

When can the truth be told? Not that a lie has been foisted any anyone, just that there may be a little secret “out there”... inquiring Boa freaks would love to know.

By now, we all know that Basic Mike created the Paradigm Boas and kept this secret for two years. The first new combination that creates a "T-Positive" looking animal with two seemingly unrelated genetic traits. Is there a second way to make this happen in Boa Constrictors?

So now, it's not so surprising that maybe someone stumbled upon the possibility that the Kahl Albinos and the VPI T-Positives might be compatible in the exact same way. Those who know this, if it is true, might wish to keep it secret for as long as possible until they produce a truckload of them. Who could blame them? The instant a few of us saw these pictures posted on kingsnake.com of a T-Positive X Motley breeding, we realized that those T-Positive babies weren't a fluke but another combination that could make T-Positive appearing animals in a way not previously known to be possible. At least that is what a few of us thought when the pictures below were seen on kingsnake.com.

So will we see the following this year?

"Celestial" Arabesques?
"Celestial" Hypo Arabesques?
"Celestial" Jungles?
"Celestial" Hypo Jungles?
"Celestial" Motleys? (Possibly already born last year but kept secret. Perhaps siblings are in the pictures below.)
"Celestial" Hypo Motleys?
"Celestial" Leopard?
"Celestial" Hypo Leopard?
"Celestial" Pastels?
"Celestial" ?
Imagine the plethora of additional Morph possibilities that would (will?) be available in a much shorter time frame than previously believed!! Doesn’t this make for more possibilities than previously believed with all of the KAHL-bloodline (multiple) morph animals out there already? I certainly think so….

This of course is all speculation you understand and not based upon any "insider trading", other than the deductive reasoning after seeing the pictures above posted, but the possibilities make for a whole lot of new cool avenues to pursue! Boas are good and the future is indeed bright! Very bright indeed...

shhhhh, be vwery, vwery quiet! ;O)~
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...kind of makes you say hmmmmm! I wonder who the mystery "powerjoe" is. lol. I can't really tell for sure, but it seems like there's a little speculation and jealousy there?

Celestial Boas.........hmmmmmmm, what a heavenly name. I think we whould start a rumor that they were left on the planet by aliens!

Your photographic "evidence" is compelling, but until someone steps up and admits to producing these creatures all this will remain simple speculation.

We could come up with some creative morph names with the celestial theme though.

We could call a Celestial Motley a "Nova", which would obviously make the Super Motley a "Super Nova" But wait, that name is taken already, isn't it? I am sure we could come up with something fitting such an omnipresent name as Celestial!

What do you think powerjoe?

Denny

of said animals. It was Jeremy as we all know that had the mysterious T positive babies produced while trying to make motleys het T positive.

So the question really goes to Jeremy.......

Are the kahl line and the VPI line compatible?

Did you in fact produce a motley T positive?

Those would be the defining questions in this mystery

Chris Nicholas

SHOOTING AT STARS BOA is a better name beacuase it Fits JOE POWER. Why? Becuase it is what he is doing. But thats OK.

Chris, You already know the answer to many of the questions you posed.

Joe Power, I know WHO started that Thinking, and once it gets around by the one person, it GETS AROUND!!!!!!!!!!!! So, I know why you would want to Stay Annonomous making the post and claim you have. However, there are actually a "few" of you who think the way you do. I personally don't want to answer your question, because you'll just have to find out for yourself.

I do have a few Secrets in my back pocket, but this is not one of them. The people who don't understand Genetics like to draw similarities to the Paradigm, and "HOW" this could be similar. FIRST, Boa Woman Carmel, and the Sharp albino are NOT COMPATIBLE. They make some cool DH's when bred to eachother. They call these hets Paradigms. However, Compatible? No.....

I'll make a longer post in my Blog for you to go over the GENETICS of the situation, but it just doesn't make sense.

I'll answer one of Chris's questions here. Is the T postive (or VPI CARMEL) compatible with the KAHL albino? I don't know!!! I have not done the breeding. I should know this year with 2 litters but the were done with "HET" kahls and not a True albino. IF I thought they were, I would have done a LOT more breedings then just 2 hets, and the 2 hets are Morphs of something else. DO, I think they are Compatible??? NO!!!! I would be surprised if they were.

IF They were, and I KNEW it and wanted to keep it a Secret, WHY Would I post that litter? I knew People would SPECULATE because weirder things have happned to me ESPECIALLY when using a Motley.

Example: Breeding a Motley NOT het to an Albino and producing and Albino in the breeding. Example 2. Breeding a Motley Not Het to a HET albino, and an Albino came out of the litter. Example 3. Breeding Motley to a Het and again an ALBINO pops out. Example 4. Breeding a Motley to a normal, and 2 Super Motleys Pop out. (Or 2 Appearing Super Motleys). Example 5. Breeding a Motley to a T pos, and having 2 T pos's come out. 1 was a runt that didn't make it.

Yes, Other WEIRD stuff happens, and I haven't mentioned the 1/2 of it above.

So, IF I THOUGHT the two were compatible, and I wanted it Secret, I wouldn't have posted that up there. Also, I wouldn't be selling ANY Het T positive Albinos. I would also RAISE the price of Het T positives to TRIPLE THE PRICE. I would also EXPECT to have produced AlBINO MOtleys in the litter, and a bunch of other stuff. And YES, the litter was a LARGE litter with more then enough babies to make a good educated guess.

Where I agree with you Joepower, is the fact that the breeding future of Boas is bright.

I don't think the name celestial boa is a GOOD name, and I also think Super Nova isnt that great either. But who am I to judge a name? I hope this was a Good enough "telestial" answer to your question.

Jeremy

(I can see why people would Love this Post. Shane answered why)

to the carpet, I just simply stated the questions for "powerjoe" to ask.

You never asnwered if or not that a "t pos like motley" baby was born in that litter, the two genes may not be compatible but could they make a new phenotype, similar to how the boawomen and the sharp do.

Who was spreading this information about the two lines?

Are you breeding the known Kahl hets to the T positve fro the pattern mutations or are you trying to see if the lines could make a new genetic phenotype?

Chris

Chris,

I'm not saying you were calling me to the Carpet. You and i are friends, and I think it can be handled different. However, PERSONALLY you have asked me those questions and I answered them. Yes, I did answer weather or not there was T positive Motley.

I can't answer the question about T positives "phenotically" being different if bred to a Kahl albino. I personally doubt it, and I would think it would have a better chance with the Sharp Albino, but that is just my guess because of the paradigm. I think a lot more breedings need to be done with the paradigm that will help answer some questions about what is going on. We do know it makes a killer snake.

I think breeding the Paradigm to a Normal, or something else would be very interesting to see.

It doesn't MATTER who was spreading the information. It definatley is out there as power joe believes. Who did you hear it from? This isn't a BOA CONSPIRACY. LOL!!!!!!! What is funny about the post is that it comes across that the PERSON who did the breeding "ME" is HIDING something like some sort of HUGE CONSPIRACY and that he is onto it!!! What a HORRIBLE Thing!!!!!!! LOL

I am breeding the Two lines with Pattern Mutations. There is NO reason for me to believe the two lines make a new phenotype. IF I thought they did, I would have used my Limited amount of T positives to Albinos at least 1 Breeding. I know someone else who IS breeding the two and we shall see.

I was thinking about doing a Sharp Sunglow or a Sharp Albino to the T positive to see if Maybe there is something there, but again I have a limited amount of T positives, and want to make some GURANTEES rather then a few nons. I'll post the Results in the Blog.

Later, Jeremy

I hate when other breeders spread rumors / false info or pass on private information that was meant for their ears only. That is why I kept the Paradigms a secret for so long.
I can say I have parted my ways with a few in this business due to those exact reasons.

Hope your season is going well for you!

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You are Right Mike. I hate it when that happens too. Some people just can't help themselves.

I also think that you were Very smart to keep that secret. Many people love to know Exactly what is going on at all times but there are certain things that benefit the breeder when they happen to keep it on the downlow. Most breeders that have a LOT of Morphs keep a few things hidden. It wouldn't be right for your hard work to be GIVEN away by letting everyone know exactly how to do what you did without recieving any benefit.

There is NO reason to let it out untill you are ready to go to the Market if you find and prove something very cool like the Paradigm.

I look foward to seeing the Paradim stuff you produce. I will definatly have to get some of those. I have been getting a few more Sharp stuff.

Jeremy