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The breeder has pics of her own showing that these are not the same dragon, but to me it shows they are. She is comparing the right sides of the saddles because they are harder to prove since they are not as "seeable" in the baby's pic. We've pretty much all agreed that the left side of the saddles and the tiger striping are a perfect match (please look down in previous post to view pics or go to the link provided in my signature to see all the comparison pics).

Here are her pics & words:
Here is my problem. These DO not even come close in shape and spread:
Look at my A and B:

here is why I think they are the same...please tell me if you think I am wrong!

She is comparing different parts of the pattern. The 3rd saddle down has an additional saddle piece that extends and veers to the left, the 4th saddle down (after the mickey mouse) has two extensions. Both of which you get a glimpse of on the baby's pic. In trying to prove they are not the same dragon, I think it solidifies that they are. On the baby's pic she is comparing the extended parts off the saddle, to the main saddles (not the extended parts) on the older pic. if she compared the extended parts or the main parts on both, they would be spaced differently. Look below.

If anyone disagrees (please see all the pics below or at the ling first, so you get the full breath and depth of what i am talking about) please show me the errors of my ways. I don't wat to think my eyes are playing tricks on me, but I am open to it.
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They both have a complete stripe pattern of diamonds going down their side.

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They both ahve the same dot saddle in between their legs and the very same first tail band after their legs. There is a bit of marker on the baby pic, but I can still make out the sharp rise of that tail band!!

How can she not see all of this???

It must be me - I'm blind, right? I have blurry vision that is making me see things that aren't there??
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Even on the back right leg you can match up the light pattern on the barker base color
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Mystical Dragons

Looks to me she just proved your point even more LOL,,,the legs were another thing I was talking about in my e-mail to you, the mark that she picked out on the (mickey mouse) is the same thing you pointed out, granted the bigger version is a little differant from where the baby grew, but you can tell it's the same,,just looks a little stretched, from growing, so I think she proved your point more than hers..I really hope you get this settled soon...have you directed her to this site? If not you should, let her see a dozen people saying they are the same dragon!
Again Good Luck!!

If she lets this person know about the forum we won't be able to "talk trash" about her anymore! hahaha! (JK!)
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Kelly Affonce
DeKeaff Exotics
www.dekeaffexotics.com
AIM: DekeaffGrrl

not trying to talk trash (I know you were joking)- I hope it is not coming off that way. I only want to get to the bottom of this. I just can't see why she can't (or won't) see what we all see???
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Laura, look at the little box looking pattrn at the base of the neck. It matches exactly with the baby picture. As well as the rest of the pattern on the head that we can see from the pics. TOO MANY SIMILARITIES!!! It's the same dragon.
Also wanted to say that this breeder reads this forum. I have seen her post in here before. I can't remeber exactly what it was about but I'm sure if you archive you can find it and see for yourself what I'm speaking of................
Hope you can settle this reasonably and not have to resort to harsh words or measures........

Good Luck,

Robert

It's amazing how every dragon has its own special markings. It's a lot like fingerprints on people, or matching DNA images. I bet the scientists who study DNA or fingerprints would agree that these pictures are of the same dragon. Oh my, wouldn't that be something . I wonder how she could claim different if this went all the way to litigation or court. Anyone with SOME intelligence, or at least HONESTY, could tell it is the same baby.

Well, although I still believe some mistake was made, the breeder is still just as sure it is NOT the same baby. It is a mute point now anyway, she has alerted me that she has sold the dragon and that the buyer believes they are different dragons as well. She even posted a neat little note in the classifieds saying she will tell you the truth behind me. So, please email her for that truth - it seems she would rather say it over email than over this forum. And doggone it, I want to know the truth about me!! I have tried to be a big sweetheart over the whole deal and even defended her at times, what more could I do? When she thought I was making up that other people believed the dragons were the same too I even told her to come to this forum and see.

Here's the last responce I received from her (her name is being left off on purpose):

It is not the same dragon. I am not even going to deal with this anymore. So you just go to whatever forum you want, I don't care. It is NOT the same dragon. It is not even the same clutch. I have sold the female, and given all the emails and questions, even the buyer feels it is NOT the same dragon. I wanted her opinion before closing the sale. Feel free to slam me where you want, what goes around comes around. It sure would be the decent thing of you to state YOU allowed an alternate for absolute positive sexing purposes and I offered full refund, including ALL shipping charges but YOU wanted to keep the dragon, and she is a NICE dragon. Have a nice day!

My responce back:

I'm glad you got what you were asking for her, she was surely worth it.
You are right, if you read all the posts you would have seen that I refused to send her back. I am not going to reship a dragon - it is too stressfull. Yes, the female I got from you is nice. I've said that time and time again. But, I also said I wanted the other female if you found her and you agreed to that. I know it was the same dragon, as sure as you feel it is not. I believe a mistake was made, it happens to everyone. I only sought acknowledgment, but that isn't going to happen. I did not say ship me whatever dragon you want as long as it is female; I would have wanted to see a pic first. I don't buy anything without a picture. You didn't give me the option, you went ahead and sent a different dragon. When I told you about it, you thought you had sent the right female. Mistake, easy as that. So, you can't say I allowed you to send her to me, because I didn't know I was getting a different dragon. I did allow it by keeping it, but made sure to point out I still wanted the other female I thought I was getting.
I'm sorry you feel such great animosity towards me. I never slammed you or bad mouthed you; I even defended you. I only sought other's opinions to see if my eyes were seeing right.
You have very beautiful dragons. Congrats on them.
Best wishes,
laura

Do you think I've slammed this woman? I know a lot of people would have reacted in a very angry way, but I hav enot done so. I am not angry at all, only disappointed.

Please let me know how dastardly I've been if you email her.
Thanks for all your support,
Laura VanAlyne
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