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What phase of my pyro

Toningai Mar 31, 2007 03:08 AM

I m really no idea what phase of them , Any idea?
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Aaron Mar 31, 2007 10:48 AM

Those don't look like pyros. I think they are hypo greeri.

What country are you in?

Where did you get them?

How much did you pay?

antr1 Mar 31, 2007 11:11 AM

They are very beautiful. The super light one looks similar to the Applegate Hypo Greeri. The other one looks like it has some of Chris Bauble's pyros in it.

Great looking animals what ever they are.

http://www.applegatereptiles.com/species/greeri.htm

mexicanamak Mar 31, 2007 11:19 AM

...for any pyro, even greeri. Attractive, but they look like a mystery mix to me.
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Mike

Aaron Mar 31, 2007 09:27 PM

Mike I think the head patterns are odd too but I have noticed that even Bob Applegate's hypo greeri have higher than normal band counts and reduced head patterns like these with red coming into the black. I think these are factors of the hypo gene (or whatever gene is being called hypo) and not from hybridization.

DMong Apr 01, 2007 12:05 AM

I don't see what else they could really be. Like you said, Applegates "greeri" have a high band-count, and different look to them as compared to any others I've seen. Then add to that the "hypo" gene, that would reduce any head pattern even further.
Even the individuals within the same clutch have varying head patterns too.
Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

DMong Apr 01, 2007 12:51 AM

They really could be hypo "pyro" x hypo "greeri". They look like 50% of each split right down the middle to be honest!
Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

mexicanamak Apr 01, 2007 09:19 AM

I definitely agree with hypo-ish greeri generally having higher band counts and more pronounced red in the head markings, but in the lighter and more hypo looking snake (top one), the way the head pattern wants to take shape seems backwards compared to what we are accustomed to. I wish I could be there to point out things I see... difficult to do in a post. The head pattern on that top one wants to point towards the nose instead of being more of a reverse "V" shape pointing towards the nuchal. With the other more pyro looking snake, the pattern shape is more greeri-like and pointing in the right direction but still doesn't look right. Make any sense? I guess something else that throws me is that I get the feeling these are sibs with all their similarities.

These snakes are most likely out of the country where a significant amount of cross breeding takes place, some of it due to improper identification which is another reason for my suspicions. If I had to guess, I'd suspect a pyro x hypo greeri cross at some point.
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Mike

Aaron Apr 01, 2007 10:20 AM

Yes that makes sense. I think it is also possible they are hybrids.

jasonmc Mar 31, 2007 04:29 PM

You better just send them my way. I'll make sure they never give you any trouble. And just cause you seem like a nice person, I'll pay the shipping. Contact me for my addy!

Congrats:
JasonMc

Toningai Apr 01, 2007 11:49 AM

Thank you for many information
The breeder inform me they are L.P.P
and he offer me 1.1 from same hatchling
The patten are so difference and the price also is difference
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mexicanamak Apr 01, 2007 02:46 PM

Do you have photos of the others the breeder offered you that you could show us here?
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Mike

jeph Apr 02, 2007 02:19 AM

Honestly, I think they look pyros. Some animals the show "applegate phase" can no have head no pattern, to very little. Some of the animals that hatch out of Chris Baubels line also have reduced head pattern. I dont really see the greeri look-(although I think pyros and greeri are very similair in ways) but to me, I think they look like Chris Baubel line pyros,
Jeff

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