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I read the many posts on the “Sunglow Black Rat”. Seems to me that the post was much to do about nothing. Amel snakes, such as Black Rats, have saddles that range from very light to quite dark in coloring. Just after reading many of the posts, I saw a photo of an amel Emoryi posted on the Corn Snake forum that had saddle coloring just like that of the “sunglow Black Rat.”

Below is a photo of my pair of Emoryi showing a contrast between natural color variations.

That is exactly what I was trying to find out. Wether or not there is such a thing. I would not be surprised at all if it where just a more pleasant looking amel but then again why could there not be another strain of amel in the black rats? We see that it happened with emoryi. Only time will tell.

I did contact a few people that I believe are very knowledgeable and reputable both on this site of others and none had ever heard of the sunglow morph so you may be right there. But either way I think these are great looking amels that should produce more just like them...hopefully.

If you were to ask me, IMHO, "sunglow" is a term some breeder made up to sell his amel Black Rats more quickly. I would also not count on all their offspring being quite so dark in color.

I have two Gray Rats that are sisters, and one is very dark in coloring while the other is normal. Variation in coloring (how dark or how light) is to be expected.

One last thing, for amels, those were very nice looking Black Rats. Still, this is what a black Rat should look like.(LOL) .....

I hear ya about what a black rat should look like!! They are indeed what a BR should look like. I have an 06 Loudon County, VA BR(my favorite snake)that is getting very dark already and will color up just like yours. All of the BR's I've seen here in VA are that nice black color.

I reduced the photo, 'cus that post was hard to open for dialup.

The pinkish snake looks like an amel, but the more yellowish snake looks like it might be a hypo. Just a thought.

PS: Are those Emory's wild caught?

Terry

They both have the classic "pink eyes" that you see with amel's. Since I am breeding they as soom as the female sheds, I think we will know for sure by July. I will post photos of the offspring.

Rick

Rick, I look forward to seeing the babies.

You are saying that you're going to pair up the two snakes in the photo, correct? I hope they are compatable for you (I'm assuming it's possible they could be two different strains.) Good luck with them.

Terry

>>They both have the classic "pink eyes" that you see with amel's. Since I am breeding they as soom as the female sheds, I think we will know for sure by July. I will post photos of the offspring.
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>>Rick

I'm not sure why the photo was deleted. Maybe it was something I did wrong. I'll try it again (inquiring minds want to know)..

>>I reduced the photo, 'cus that post was hard to open for dialup.
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>>The pinkish snake looks like an amel, but the more yellowish snake looks like it might be a hypo. Just a thought.
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>>PS: Are those Emory's from wild caught snakes?
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>>Terry
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This is a very interesting post, Rick. I'm curious about that yellowish amel. Do you have any other pictures of it? Thanks...

Terry

Terry,

Sorry, but I don't have any other photos of her at this time, but I will take some this week in notural sunlight so that you can see what she looks like. Too answer your other question, yes, I will be breeding that exact pair of snakes. They came out of cooling last month. I am just waiting for her to shed.

Thanks for resizing the photo. I keep forgetting that there are still people out there stuck with only dial-up.

Rick

Rick, you're welcome.

I agree about the variation in Emory's ratsnakes, like most species. With my pair of Brazos Island snakes, I have one dark one and one light one. But I'm not sure that kind of variation could cause the two colors your two snakes are showing. The reason I'm so curious is because it looks like it might be caused by two different forms(of amelanism, or something). Not saying it's not amelanism, just curious about what's causing it.

I look forward to your breeding results. Please let us know how that turns out, or contact me privately. I might be interested in offspring too, if you would like to part with any.

Regards....TC

are you sure the more orangish one is a pure emory ? it looks corn or black rat influenced. she still looks beautiful no matter what though
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0.0.1 Dusky pygmy rattlesnake
1.0 Amelanistic greatplains ratsnake
0.1 Greatplains ratsnake
0.1 Amelanistic Cornsnake
1.1 Everglades Ratsnake
0.1 Greenish ratsnake
1.1 Speckled kingsnake
1.1 stripeless gartersnake
1.0 onestriped northwestern garter
0.1 Oregon Red sided gartersnake
1.1 anoles
0.0.1 tokay gecko
0.1 graceful chamelion
1.0 green iguana
and a bangin @ss drumset

variation in amel everglades/black/yellow rat snakes I have bred in the past.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research