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Tried google. Not having any luck.

Tractor Supply Company is a big chain that carries them, possibly farm and feed type stores.

Thanks, found some.

I have a question about this type of question and answer.

First I understand if a person has a hard question, something a little elbow grease cannot take care of, then by all means ask away.

But if a person has to ask where to get such simple things as this, they what gives anyone the idea that they should be in charge of a living animal?

First off, they are asking on the computer and these computers know all. All they would have to do is google or any search engine, up cattle troughs.

The point is, they GOT to do SOMETHING on their own. If they will not make the effort to figure out the easy stuff, whats going to happen with the stuff that actually effects the life of an animal.

Nothing against this person, its about all these simple basic questions that anyone can easily figure out. Or at least, SHOULD be able to figure out. My point is, if they cannot figure this out, then they are not ready for the responsibility of any pet animal muchless a monitor. (not the easist reptile in the trade to maintain)

I think sometimes folks forget these are LIVING animals. And these are REPTILES(keeper supplies all needed conditions) Sorry for the rant, but holy moly. Cheers

You smoke too much Goanna dung.

Why would Pro Exotics put links to suppliers on their sites? Why do people share information with each other? Its human nature to share and seek out info from each other.

I accomplished my goal quite nicely. Who else better to ask than the living breathing people on this forum. Asking Google thru a search is not the same. I got a better response from a person.

Have a pleasant day.

No offense, but in those cases, there is one giant reason did that, to sell product. That is their JOB(they are paid to do that) There site is to keep you there(easy answers). While your there, your exposed to their products. Its simple advertising. In Pro Exotics case, hopefully its good for them and good for monitors in captivity.

It still reminds, they will sell you everything you need, but one major item. They do not sell you a brain. The most needed item to successfully keep animals is sadly, a brain. I know you have one, use it.

But that has nothing to do with this. There are questions you can solve yourself and their are questions you will need help with. You job is not to have everyone solve everything for you. As in, DO YOU OWN WORK(if and when you can) Then seek help for things you do not understand. That is not only the proper civil thing to do, its also fun to solve problems.

If you cannot solve simple stuff, what gives you the right to hold an animals life in your hands. You do understand, If your animal fails, no one and I mean no one is at fault but YOU.

Of course, the real case is, you may not be here to help your monitor, but to simply talk to other folks(make friends). Which is not a problem. Still, if you actually want friends, do not make them do your work.

Of course you can call names and all such dumb stuff. But the problem is the same. YOU STILL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CHARGES LIVES. I say it like that because you are in charge of them.

You are the one making life decisions for your animal. So its best to learn to solve the problems you can. The actual key to success is learning to make decisions and following decent troubleshooting techniques.

Most likely, your being lazy, I am sure you could have solved this(found where to purchase troughs) problem all on your own. In fact, I am sure you could have solved a whole bunch of these simple questions you ask. You could huh? So why didn't you? or why don't you? Don't worry, there are and will be plenty problems you will need help with(that is if you actually do any of this)

While so many people think I am suppose to be nice to you and enable you. I think differently, I think your suppose to be nice to your OWN animals. I think your suppose to be responsible for your own animals. I think, your suppose to do as much WORK as you can. But hey, thats what I get for smoking goanna poop. Which leads to this, I do have tons of that, I can hook you up. Cheers

remember: puff puff pass.

dont hog the poop dude.

I have some really dank goanna dung- smells like fish!

I have to agree with Frank on this one... The supplies, permits, etc. should have been the first priority researched, acquired and assembled long before resigning yourself to keep any live animals. There is always the guy who hasn't a clue where to rent a dozer and has no land to dig a pond, but he got a great deal on a pair of Nile crocs! Make sure you are working in the right direction Nerk. Also, I have worked with turtles, torts, crocs and various small lizards, but was never as excited or CHALLENGED as I have been with monitors. Be aware of this because, monitors wear an initially cheap price tag(yes, even the Aussie species) that does nothing to reflect the expenses that follow. In fact the majority of stores and dealers selling will do little to impress upon you the expenses that you will incur while keeping them. So, if you have not already done so, go back and research more than just the husbandry required to keep them but the supplies and cost as well(especially if you are leaning towards any of the giant species!). Well, anyways, best to you all- Mike

What a big bunch bunch of old ladies.

"Oh my God, he asked where is a good place to buy a trough, I think I'm going to toss my cookies, oh heavens dear, the heavens are falling, oh dear"

For the record, doing a search on google is the same as asking a person, or perhaps you think the web grows on trees.

I checked all my resources and found what I was looking for. Problem,(Good place to buy a trough), solved.

And to the lizard dude, I don't think it is too late to be buying an 8' trough for my 18" Monitor.

And to the other dude who thought I shouldn't ask a question that has been asked before, get used to it, its a forum you FR wannabe.

So FR, I implore you to please start burying your monitor dung because the fumes are getting to you. You are a forum Troll if I ever saw one.

Have a pleasant day.

How did I know that you fit the description, hmmmm- Maybe because there are hundreds of selfishly impulsive buyers just like yourself that confront the experienced keepers with silly questions like where to buy containment for an animal already purchased. Let's see, now it's set up time for the unnecesarily stressed out monitor. Grow up , kid, oh and learn from your mistake- you made one... Yours truly-Mike

Hell no dude, my monitor is in a cage 3 times as long as he is and he is not stressed, warm amd eating like a fiend. He doesn't need an 8' trough now and will have one before he does. You made a erroneous assumption in an effort to be like your idol.

Too bad the archives don't go back far enough to get your silly questions.

Peace out

Mike and I understand that if you had any real confidence in your keeping ability you would not be saying the STUPID stuff your saying. Or asking the questions your asking.

Your games are very common and your not very good at them either. In the years I have been here, there were some very talented at your silly attacks. Your not one of them. And not very original.

So either listen and use information that could be of help or simply ignore anything you don't like and see what happens. After all, I am not responsible for your monitor and truely Mike and I wish you monitor does very well.

What you actually do, I could careless. After all, its no skin off my back. Cheers

Your problem is your are an eliteist and you have deified yourself in your own eyes. As an elitist you feel all questions about monitors are ultimately directed towards you. You have made many statements where you claim that people are asking "you" such and such when there was never any such appeal in their question. This shows that you feel as though all posts here are directed towards you. I have never asked you anything directly and wouldn't. Most of what you say isn't about monitors anyway.

You are a FORUM TROLL!!!!

Google that. Here I'll save you the effort.

http://curezone.com/forums/troll.asp

Oh yeah. Have a pleasant day. Troll.

I hope all your "stuff" helps your monitor/s out.

Heres something to think about, Its does not matter what I am. Or what I act like or what I think of myself What matters is, how you gain "your" information. If I have that information, its your task to gain it, not my or anyones task to give it.

I gave you real meaningful advice, take it or not. Cheers

nah dude you're missing the point...it seriously took me less than a minute to find a trough, including two phone calls. So you gotta admit it was a funny question...not too far from asking where to get some good 2x4s or "hey anyone know where a good hammer is for sale?". I mean unless you are going to get it shipped for more than it costs, wtf good is asking anyone here?

so learn to laugh at yourself, that was funny.

and FRs point is valid...I mean on face value would you think someone asking on a forum where to buy something that seriously takes the 'research' skill of a 3rd grader is ready for a monitor? Hell I'm thinking leopard gecko at best dude. If you want to know where to get an aquarium and some sweet calci-sand let me know, I know this guy who knows a guy...

Tom

Just for fun I did a msn search, "Cattle trough" man that was cool, I found this place in W.A.(western australia) that made these great fiberglass troughs, some were huge. I love that place, I have fiberglass experience(have my own chopper gun, a venus) I could work there.

There were hundreds upon hundreds of links to all sort, more then I thought was possible.

But sadly that is not where you would want to look. I get the feeling a forth grader would search Dex.com or yellow pages.com, then you could find one close to whomever is asking and it will even include a map.

Whats very funny is, this poster did not say where he lives. I could have answer, heck, theres a place about half a mile east of me and a place one mile north east. Both places have hundreds of them. And you know what, that is true. But these two places most likely are kinda far from this poster. hahahahahahahahahaha

I could have been rude and said, if brains were, oh never mind. hahahahahahahaha Cheers

I would think that a real life phone book or an online one might be the first place to look. If a person lived in my area, I would simply say: Home Depot. Cheers

Thanks,

I tried Home Depot, nothing. The first few search pages on google had businesses with troughs but not the galvanized ones I was looking for. Somebody here helped with the second post.

The rest is a sad commentary on human nature.

Most Home Depot stores don't have steel troughs. My local Home Depot has a decent selection.

Thanks Neal,

My home Depot does not. Its ok though because I am no longer looking for a trough. I have found a supplier, thanks to some tips, who has exactly what I was looking for.

Home Depot in my area doesn't carry them. But, if I wanted to buy them I am lucky in that in the rural area where I live, there a a lot of farm supply stores. They may not be available in some large cities.

AH

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Well that is good that you got your info, but this question comes up quite a bit. Did you bother to do a search on this site?

The question was perfect for this type of forum. I have tried going back through the archives and it sucks! I would rather spend the time with/for my animals. The worst question is the one not asked.

And, for the record, I tried goanna dung once but I didn't inhale.

AH

I'm thinking of inhaling because if you do, you become the smartest man in the world.

Wow. Several years ago ('99 maybe)Frank R helped me over the phone with a storri enclosure. He was very helpful and seemed happy to answer all my questions. I have recently started reading all the forums again with an interest in possibly building another habitat and getting back into monitors again. I have read a few good posts on a few boards, but for the most part most of these boards seem like they are teeming with 12 year olds asking which heat rock they should use for their sav. I am most surprised at you FR, for I have read several posts where you come off like a bitter old maid for no good reason. The poster was asking a simple question, and got a simple answer. Problem solved. But honestly Frank, and this is from someone who has respected you and your work for years, you seem to need a break from these forums. Some of your responses are down right childish. Maybe it's the cult-like following you have that is warping your sense onf common courtesy. Either way, you should be above this type of behavior at your age.

I agree. What else is this forum for? People can share ideas and ask questions, or at least, they SHOULD be able to. Too many are afraid because there are a few lizard loungers that frequent this thing that blast people for asking a simple question. Boy, that helps the husbandry of the animal doesn't it????

For the record, a good friend who lives nearby has hatched out over 700 monitors over the past years doesn't even own a trough. There are lots of ways to keep these animals successfully. He is not a big breeder. Just has a pair or two of a couple of different species. This is what this forum should be about. Sharing information.

AH

One thing. People shouldnt be afraid to ask. Its a forum as in, its the internet. Its not like someones over at your house yelling in your face and waving a bat hahaha. You can read or not. You can listen or not. You take what information you want and leave the rest. Its up to you to sort it all out. If your scared of a dude (or chick) behind the computer. Then i'm not sure you should have a monitor. Heck, what are you going to do with a larger monitor lizard coming to bite you? Are you going to be scared of it and not feed it?

I think its kinda good that FR scares off the newbs from keeping monitors. It keeps all the ones that are not ready. If they give up because of what people say then what will they do when they get a monitor? The ones he doesnt scare off he knows will try harder. I'm not sure if this is what FR thinks, but its good of what he does. I think its a lesson to all of us. He wants us to learn for ourselves and not just listen to everyone.

When i got my troughs i had to ask around for 3 months. I had to call all the feed stores within 2 hours away and finally found one over 3 hours away. hahahaha. I still got it.

Cheers,
Sean

I thought that in the beginning, too. But, think about all the monitors you see at swaps, all of them you see here on Kingsnake. I don't think most of the people who buy those animals come on here to look for information. The ones who are here are obviously the ones who are seeking some kind of help because they care. It's the thousands who don't ask or don't check here that worry me. Scaring off one or two new to the hobby on this forum isn't the answer. These are probably the cream of the crop .... comparitively speaking.

AH

Frank isn't scaring anyone away from buying a monitor. At most he is scaring some people who already have a montior from asking questions. There is no reason to be an ass about it. If you see someone who is obviously endangering their animal, by all means address that person. But why be an ass when someone asks where to buy a trough? That's is just petty and beneath someone at his level of experience. I think the problem is that Frank has become a legend in his own mind.

Frank, you have a vast cache of experience and knowledge. Don't let people remember you by what a jerk you were. That would be a real shame.

You all could also not be so thin-skinned ... get the information you want/need and ignore the BS. Spend your time on your lizards, not saving face on a forum - who f/n cares?

Obviously you cared enough to respond. You could have just read the information yourself and skipped the BS, but you didn't. Nice try. Run along now.

Why don't you all stop being such a bunch of pansys! Admit it it's a stupid question. Why waste space and time. CATTLE TROUGH=FARM SUPPLY key word cattle. Besides there are umpteen hundred alternatives to the trough if you cant get one. No wonder people like Frank answer questions like "where can you buy cattle troughs" the way they do. Some people actually had to work to gain knowlege through trial and error. Their work makes yours a hundred times easier. This stuff is free for the taking for us now. Personally, I'm gratefull for these old timers.

Hey heres another stupid question; Whose idea was it to use cattle troughs for monitor cages anyhow?

Roger

This person comes on an internet forum and ask's "where can I get a trough?". There are millions of people and thousands if cities all across the US (assuming they are in the US). How can anyone on this forum tell this person where to get troughs? This person didn't give a city, state, heck even a country.

Frank's point is that finding a trough is the least of your worries when keeping monitors and if a keeper isn't invested enough to find a trough they certainly won't be able to make the tough decisions.

BTW, where do you think this person should get a trough (that was the original question)? I could tell this person that there is a feed store about 6 blocks up the road that carries them, but unless they lived in my town it would be of no use.

Sheesh..

My ONLY point here was that there is no reason to be an asshole. If it's a stupid question, just ignore it. But some people obviously feel better about themselves when they attack someone else for asking "stupid" questions. Some of you people act like a bunch of little middle school pre-pubescent girls. "Like, oh my god, he like asked where to get a trough. Like, not cool."

I was nice. You folks(newbies) ask questions, but you don't want to hear about what is importand. As someone who is NOT a newbie(who cares if I am good at this or not) I have advice, the advice is, learn to make your own decisions. Particularly ones your very capable of making.

As pointed out, if you cannot find a trough, then monitors may not be for you.

The whole rest of these stupid threads are about the person whinig because the person clearly understands the problem.

The truth is, you kinda have to be an ass to get you folks to think in the right direction. Again, whether you do or not, is not my problem. Its only your monitors, and therefore, your problem. Cheers

Well, first, I am no newbie. I kept monitors for over a decade and a half, successfully. Just because I am new to this forum means nothings. Frank, you [bleep] about this forum on other forums (varanus.net) but feel the need to continue posting here. You really are a troll, which is sad considering your knowledge base.

hahahahahahaha, name calling, how about getting of your arse(you said your successfull) and you take over. I would simply love that. If you got it going on so well, then go for it.

My bet is, you will start, and you will end up in the same arguements as I. They will be calling you names, and you will leave. At least I am still here. Why I say that is, its happened a million times.

By the way, I started with this forum. Also, I am partners with varanus.net. Thats it, I do not go to any others.

But calling me names is really not a good start. After all, I do try real hard to help peoples monitors. What you will find out is, some people do not want help, they just want to be equal or some such thing.

In case your wondering, my attitude is more about self protection(so I will not leave, like so many others) If I have to be rude then so be it.

Varanus.net is about the actual keeping of monitors(at times any old reptile or even animal) This forum is more about beginers(its not how long, but what your MONITORS have accomplished(life events) There were keepers here that had monitors over 20 years, but never hatched an egg. That is not successful. The problem is, everyone has a different idea of what success is. So, what is your idea success?

In reality, before you actually can be a serious keeper, you do have to have a certain mindset. Particularly in the area of how you learn. This is not about keeping, but more about the person. That is why I come here. Beginers or unsuccessful longterm keepers, need to learn a mindset first and foremost. This is particularly true with varanids, as they do not follow caresheet husbandry. Which means the keeper has to learn to think and not copy. So I ask them to think. I surely did not know thinking hurt so much, as many of these fine folks scream and yell, when asked to think.

Again, you go for it. Cheers

WHO PISSED IN MY CHEERIOS !!!!!

jesus loves you all...

or the thread originator asked a funny question and that's it...honestly learning to laugh at yourself is a good quality.

The only truly ugly responses I have read on this thread are from those railing against ugly responses. Calling names, personal attacks, etc. How ironic is that?

As for being FR's minions, well that's silly too. I think he knows a lot about monitor husbandry, period. More than 99.9% of those that keep monitors. That doesnt mean he knows a lot about or cares at all about the nicest way to communicate it here on ks or anywhere else. I figure it's my job as a monitor keeper to read between the lines and get the info he has for the sake of my monitor. If I get caught up in the 'yeah but you said it mean' then I am missing the point entirely.

If he was posting about manufacturing efficiency (my field) and asked or said something silly or erroneous I would be the first to point it out. If he got upset about how I informed him then I would also know that his priority isnt learning about manufacturing efficiency. Very telling.

Tom

Where were or are you? Why aren't you the one helping these fine folks looking for troughs. Or how to set them up. Or do they need vitamins or etc. Why don't you send them a list of Trough outlets, you know, their local "troughs or us".

I do apologize if I do not have the patience for those who want to act like they are smart but cannot find where to purchase a trough(On their own) I really don't understand that. I am sorry, but I just don't. I also do not understand why advanced varanid academics cannot keep monitors alive either.

I do think there should be a lower limit as to when to promote keeping a living animal. If you cannot make simple decisions, then wait until you can. Nothing against the person/s.

I think Tom may become very good at this, Why you ask, because he said he works witn manifacturing. Well that is what keeping monitors is. Only the monitor is the machine that makes the product. He must understand that if you have manifacturing, you have maintenance to keep it going. What we do as keepers is that very maintenance. We make sure the manifacturing machine keeps going.

I think you so called experts and newbies, FORGET, the machine(the monitor) is a working machine that is already built and ready to go. You forget, if its running properly, its making product. After all, that is the design of THESE MACHINES. All you have to do is maintain it. You do not have to figure it out, just maintain it. You do not have to know and understand the advanced theory of all things biological to run the dang machine. But you first have to understand its a machine that WORKS. So you can allow it to work. Thats all thats needed, allow the dang machine to work.

As a maintenace man, your best tool is common sense. Next is, follow proper troubleshooting techniques(PTT). I hate to tell you smart boys, but thats all it took to run these machines you call monitors. Yup, common sense and PTT. Whats funny is, your mad because I am dumb and I did and do it better(really really better) then you(all of you).

You do understand that the number one rule with PTT is, simplist things first. With monitors you do not have to go past common sense and rule number one.

The problem with the academics(you) is, you think its about how much you "think" you "know that" allows you to understand monitors. If oiling it works, then oil it(you don't need to know why) But you fail to understand the simple. That is, they are machines, and to run efficiently, the machine has two components. You fail to understand that these two components much work together in a seamless manner. You fail to understand that when they do, they are highly productive machines. Of course, maintenance and need energy must be supplied, if you want captive machines to work.

MrCota, you and your friends seem to be overqualified for the manifacturing process. So please stay in theory development(upstairs). As that appears thats what your good for. You see the great thing about theory development is, it never has to actually work. I wish I could get red arrows to point at the work WORK

No worries, I will stay down on the bottom floor and keep the manifacturing going. You know, its actually very easy as whomever designed these machines did a dang good job. They run really really well, when just giving the most minimal of maintenance and support. You can stay up in your office and keep pen to paper and waste time.

Speaking of behaviors, your just a whippy submissive coyote, you wait until the dominate coyote attacks, then you follow later after the danger has pasted. You know i have to take a jab, as thats ALL you did. You did not include a simple benefitual piece of information about monitors, or making decisions, Or anything USEFUL. Which is very very normal for you.

Lastly, did you go to school? if you did you really should have some understanding of the learning process. For instance, after you get a degree, if you want to continue your education, you have to apply and GET ACCEPTED, by a Prof. That is because, after a base education, Profs only accept students that exhibit the ability to learn what the prof is teaching. I fully understand, not eveyone has the understanding to learn this.

Not everyone is ready to keep living animals(the machine), Which means, after some education, they may become ready. A sure sign of them not being ready is, the need ask questions like, where can I get a trough.

I do understand, a lot of these newbies(including academics) are not in this because of the subject(the monitors) but instead to fullfill some social need. Which is fine and dandy, but please YOU should not cause a living animal harm in order to fullfill a social need.

Maybe these folks with this social need should join the varanid academics. That way, they will not be causing harm to living animals, and still can become part of a social club.

Please do not become offended(that happens so easy with you fellas) but try to understand, not everybody has a feel for living animals, or machines for that matter. Go do what your good at. Cheers

Heres my original post, show me what is so wrong about it. Also show me what you would have done differently.

Posted by: FR at Mon Apr 2 11:46:47 2007 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

While so many people think I am suppose to be nice to you and enable you. I think differently, I think your suppose to be nice to your OWN animals. I think your suppose to be responsible for your own animals. I think, your suppose to do as much WORK as you can. But hey, thats what I get for smoking goanna poop. Which leads to this, I do have tons of that, I can hook you up. Cheers

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Then show me anything thats really rude. Other then if I was lucky, and mentioned the truth and the truth hurts.

I also understand, you already have my post to work off of, you YOU better be a whole lot better.

So, I ask of you, STOP BEING A CHILD and actually try and help. I never said I am any good at this, but I do TRY. I am good with monitors. There is no question about that. Why do you think I am suppose to be good at everything?

The question is, whos job is it be their teacher???? not mine. This is not public school. Its these folks job to learn, not my job to teach them. I can only offer what I think is important, after that, you all, can wipe your(various body parts) with it, for all I care.

I care about the monitors, all you care about is you and how you look. Well your looking bad. Cheers

Hello,
For years now I have observed this forum and have found there to be very little outside of meaningless criticism from the the same degree baring individuals. You see, you make it known that you have an advanced education, but that is all that you make known. I have waited and waited for that spark of enlightening information to come from this same bunch and am still holding my breath. What is the deal? I bought and read all of your books: DeLisle, King&Green, Vincent&Wilson, Sprackland and countless other Authors, titles, documents and webpages. I have read them all to the point of quotation. I have found many flaws in the reasoning (or at least when it applies to captive animals), but found all of the biological information to be priceless. Look, I am just an oldtimer who has been working with herps for years- we(the oldtimers) thought we were good at what we did and that it was as good as it was going to get(monitors just couldn't be bred with any regularity like snakes, crocs, turtles, etc.). Then a few years back, up popped Frank and showed us all (you too) up! So please, sit back and observe, please feel free to contribute, but some of us don't care how we get it as long as we get it before our time here is up... Herping has always been a hard "walk". That's what made it worth "walking." Best to you-Mike

Thanks for the kind works Mike. Its funny the authors you mentioned. Harold and I had huge arguements, then I met him. He is a wonderful man. A joy to be around and has a wonderful spark in his eyes. Which ended up meaning, I could careless what he believes or if we agree or not. King and green. Dennis King had the internal strenght to actually come to my house and see for himself. We had wonderful conversations. Of course he did not understand what he was seeing, but he understood it worked. He promply send me about 50 pds of reprints. He was great(rip Dennis) Vincent, has been here, but he had some confidence problems with his book.

Sprackland, met him several times, a super nice fella, but does not understand which end to offer the mouse too.(not a keeper)

My I bring bring up Daniel Bennett. Hes a super person, I consider him a friend. But each time he visits me, it twists his brain into little balls and he gets all confused. When hes here he sees things he did not know what possible. But after being away for awhile, he rationalizes these things out of exsistance. The reason is, its against the common understanding of science(not in his peer group)

The only one I could totally agree with and actually learn from was Ube Krebs(sp) He understood what he was seeing and how and why it occurred. But then hes not a biologist. Hes a ethlogist(behavior) that specialized in reptiles. But then, he already knew monitors bonded and multiclutched and did not need UV and photoperiod. He also did not worry about this and that species(or what man called them that day) He already knew these animals were complex behaviorally and were not windup dolls.

He understood behavior. He understood what the driving force of an animal is. Yes, I learned a thing or two. He biggist question was, WHY WASN"T the folks at the university here everyday taking notes. He simply could not understand that.

The main problem is the rest of the academic boys, they are afraid to come here, it would ruin them. And they consider themselves to good to be ruined. Sorry for another long rant. Cheers

Did anybody notice that the same poster who initiated this discussion also previously initiated a thread under the title 'troughs'. There was a response by Robyn on Mar. 19th where Robyn provided this link: proexotics.com/FAQ2.html#lizard_monitorhousing.

Please read. Best to you all- Mike

Lizardheadmike and FR are the only ones in this discussion who actually helped. Everyone else, STOP PISSING AND MOANING AND FIX THE PROBLEM!! All you care about is your social status in this forum, which you all are misusing. This is the internet, folks. No need to save face. Forums are for asking and answering questions. FR talks like this all the time, so why hasnt anyone been pissing about this before, huh? He knows more than you probably ever will, I suggest you shut up and listen. EVERY forum has expert members. The morelia forum has Will Leary and Spitfire, the croc forum has CDieter, the burm forum has HighEndHerps. This forum has FR, lizardheadmike, mikesmonitors, and robyn@proexotics. When these guys say something, YOU LISTEN. I hope this helps.

Hello,
I placed this post for those of you who read back over things time and again, as I do... Those of you who do probably receive what is written. We each drop our "ten cents" worth of information on each topic as they arise here. It is hopefully our nature to want to help eachother (and our lizards). Also, it is human nature for each of us to become frustrated from time to time, from both perspectives... When Frank offers insight, remember that he is dropping you a portion of a million dollars worth of insight on this topic. We are not talking a few hours here and there with a new pet monitor, or even keeping, watching, trying and waiting day to day (as I have done). We are talking hundreds of thousands of hours- years of hard work- trials, failures and successes- only Frank knows which was greater. - When you really know your job well, and someone else tells you how it's done... Anyways, best to you all- Mike

That was brilliant, oh doctor of psychology. Masters in mindreading as well heh. Well, heres some news for you. You just masterfully described society in general my friend. How is this forum any different from any other social group. You have observed nothing that anyone else of slightly above average intelligence hasn't noticed and described a million times before. Let me ask you whose monitor husbandry you've helped to improve with that very well thought out statement? Thanks

Roger

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